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I was really impressed with the 2 hour Season 3 opener. I think Ron Moore has took a lot of chances with the end of Season 2 and now the payoff is huge. I was worried it could be a jump the shark  kinda thing, but it has turned out top be anything but. So what did everyone think? Lot's to discuss form the political and social  to the new dynamics of the relationships between the characters.

I really enjoyed the first two hours of season 3 like I said in the other BSG thread.  I also highly suggest those that like the show check out Ron Moore's BSG Podcast commentary.  Really interesting stuff.  And Col. Tigh is a bad-a$$ now!

(moving this to the Movie / TV section)...

Sorry, Rico, I didn't see this section or your post....I hate being redudant!

No problem - the other BSG thread was more about the web episodes anyway.  This is fine to get a thread like this going.  New show tomorrow night on Sci-Fi!

I watched the 45 minute "Story So Far" and the two episodes that are currently available up on Sci Fi On Demand (Pegasus and Resurrection) and I am definitely hooked.  I can see why everyone here loves this show.  Those two episodes (what season are they from, one or two?) were brilliant, and I was really shocked to see Ensign Ro on board as Admiral w/e her name is.  She still looks awesome, by the way.  I am dying to know how that particular story arc ended, or if it did at all, and I am going to try to track down the DVD's before I start watching season three.  It seems like Sci Fi On Demand will be posting episodes as they air but I am going to Tivo them just in case.  Great show though, and thanks to Rico and everyone here for turning me on to it.

Those episodes were towards the end of Season 2. Definatley get your hands on the firts 2 Seasons on DVD and watch them, you will NOT be disappointed. Saeson 2 had some flat spots, but still great drama!

I now have the miniseries and season one rented from Hollywood Video, and am going to spend the next four days on a Battlestar orgy!  See you on the other side!

"You have taken your first step into a larger world.." Oh, frack, wrong movie!

Galactica Rumors Squashed

SCI FI Channel and its parent network, NBC, put to rest fan rumors that SCI FI's original series Battlestar Galactica will make the move to NBC. "There is no truth to this rumor," a SCI FI spokesperson told SCI FI Wire.

The rumor has appeared on fans sites such as the Battlestar Galactica Site and been picked up by other entertainment news sites. "Word has begun to circulate that NBC's acquisition of Battlestar Galactica is in the 'waiting-for-the-ink-to-dry' phase at this moment, and an official announcement could be days away," the Battlestar Galactica Site said.

Well this news ^^ bodes well for the future of the series for the next couple years at least

I'm glad to hear that, Kenny.  Thanks for the news, I hadn't heard it.

To me this means that they will be able to continue to take chances and do different things with the show.

Last night's episode was good and a big setup for next week's show I think.  Lots of good stuff happening on the show right now.  Really enjoying the season so far.

Last nights was great....I hate it when that show ends.  Especially when it ends like it did last night.

Adama is giving his speech, then prepare to make the jump....end credits.....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO...I have to wait a whole week!!!!

Great 2nd episode, a little issue with how the Chief and 3 others wasted all those centurions so easily (we never see them taking them out), but the Adama/Lee stuff is great and hi sspeech at the end was awesome!

I was happy to see that there was not the mass slaughter of humans that I was expecting at the end of the Season Opener. Next weeks episode looks like it is going to be great, looks like a potential for a lot action and ship battle, which will be great.

All I will say now about tonight's BSG - Exodus Pt. 2 (more on the Skype call tomorrow night) is OMG!!!  That episode was frakking awesome!    :metallica:

Yes, a great episode. I liked the action elements in the show, and seeing both battlestars take on the Base Stars. I think they will have plenty of interesting stories for the following weeks, based off of the events on the planet. Lots of ramifications for some of the characters. Next weeks episode looks interesting with Mr Gaida. I am interested to find out what they will do with Baltar.

I am still in shock.......unbelievable!

I'm really loving this show and this season a lot.  Listen to the podcast I'll be posting up soon today for more about our BSG discussion.

Tigh killing his wife was very powerful and very disturbing. Ron Moore in a podcast once discussed their relationship as bing very twisted and co-dependent, but also one with deep love. To see him do that was tough to watch. At this point, I don't know if his character has any hope for redemption and ut will be interesting to see how that plays out.
BEST SHOW ON TV!!!

It will be interesting over the next few epsiodes, to see who makes it so to say, and who does not. I am looking forward to the Gaida episode, as I like his character, but also worried if it might be his last. From the trailer, looks like they are charging him with crimes against humanity, whereas, it really should be Tigh to answer to those. Should be an explosive character episode.

Ack!  Major spoiler there, Bryan, I knew I should have stayed off this thread.  I just finished season one and have just delved into the first half of season two.  It's so good!  I am totally addicted now, and can't wait to get caught up to the current season.  Am I going to have to figure out how to torrent the second half of season two or is it coming out soon on DVD?  It seems like one of my Comcast cable channels, a high def only channel called UHD, is rerunning older eps from season 2 once a week, they are pretty early in season two though.

Ahh, I see through a little searching I can download the episodes through Itunes for viewing on my Ipod.  I think this will be what I do, twenty bucks for all ten eps I cant currently get on DVD seems a fair price, 1.99 an episode.  I don't really mind watching on such a small screen, I kind of like staying up late in bed with my wife watching movies on my Ipod while she sleeps next to me.  I see Firefly is available too, 25 bucks for the whole season.  What do you all think about this new functionality in the Itunes store?

Marked the thread with a spoiler tag now.

Sorry about that Jordy....but I did ttitle the thread as a discussion os the epsisodes and it stands to reason that we would be, well, discussing them :).

Yeah, no problem, like I said I knew I should have stayed off this thread.  It's all good.

Hey Guys.. I haven't been able to catch this series..but I'm going to make a real effect to start watching the first season. I came across an article with Ronald D. Moore that I thought I would share with you guys. The article is kind of long so I will just put the link.. check it out.   
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=17154

It's an awesome show dude.  Definite watch for me.

Great article Kenny.  Thanks for sharing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhMA4ICS_PU&mode=related&search=

Is this what you were talking about in our Skype call Rico... this scene got my heart racing...

Yeah, Kenny, I can't believe you haven't been watching this show! It's just so damn good.

Yeah I know.. all my friends say that. I didn't have Sci fi channel when it first came out and I watch so much TV already that I keep falling further behind with the DVD's. I plan on taking a weekend and getting started in Season one.. I'm sure once I get going I won't stop till I get to the end of Season Two.

Another powerful BSG episode. Had me sitting on needles for most of the episode. Tom Zarek back to his old ways, with giving the presedential orders. Left me feeling not very good about Starbuck or Tigh. They both went through a lot on the planet, but suspect they are both going to be rather unlikeable characters for the next while. With BSG, I get the impression they could shoot anyone out of an airlock at anytime.

One of the things that makes the show vert interesting is it changes all the time and so do the characters.  Keeps you coming back each week to find out what happens next!

Okay folks.. I've taken my first step into the New Battlestar Galactica. I just finished watching the four hour miniseries. It was awesome and I can't wait to see what happens next. I'll keep you guys updated on my progress.

Thats great, I think you are going to really enjoy it. It is great to watch them on DVD, as you can watch a lot of episodes in one sitting.

Keep it up Kenny.  Honestly, I wasn't too big a fan of the mini-series.  Thought it was kind of slow and the characters not that interesting.  But once the series got going.....wow....I was very, very hooked!

I am to the point where the DVDs end, and I bought one episode off I tunes so far.  I have nine more to watch before I get to season three which is up currently on SciFi on demand.  I can see why people say it's the best show on television.  I can't wait to be caught up completely.

Joby, the second half of season 2 is out on DVD now too.

Quote from: Rico on November 05, 2006, 05:22:37 AM
Keep it up Kenny.  Honestly, I wasn't too big a fan of the mini-series.  Thought it was kind of slow and the characters not that interesting.  But once the series got going.....wow....I was very, very hooked!

I actually liked the mini series so I'm really looking forward to the series.

Cool!  Then you will definitely LOVE the series itself.

What does everyone think about the current development on Battlestar Galactica? I really like most of it, but Kara's whole storyline has really stunk since the season premier. If Starbuck is one of the main characters on the show, shouldn't she have a well written storyline?  For the love of the Lords of Kobol! What the heck is Ron Moore doing with Starbuck's character?!  My friends and I think he has trouble writing military women. Most of the things Kara says and does, are all things a man would do and say.  Kara is a female fighter pilot...not a male. They are not the same thing. What's with Kara and the manly-bravado roller coaster rides? Does Ron know anything about military women? Is Kara a bitc*y soap opera vixen from Days Of Our Lives or a Battlestar Galactica Viper Pilot who happens to be a woman?  :confused

I thought it was stupid when she dumped Sam. I didn't like him when he first appeared on the show, but I started to warm up to him towards the end. They started to write great scenes for him and made his character important. Shoot, Kara moved "Kobal and Caprica" to find that guy (the supposed love of her life), and now she can't stand the sight of him? She pouted when she thought he was dead, now she's brooding because he wants to help her get through the ordeal she experienced on New Caprica? Whatever.   :thumbsdown  I understand that the writers just wanted to get back to "square one"â€"back to the pre- New Caprica characters and show. But that scene was way off mark, and the dialog was atrocious. Especially when she runs back and man handles him with a lip-lock before storming back into the meeting with the "circle". Like Sam, I'm confused... at one moment, male bravado pours from Kara and the next you get the stereotypical, melodramatic, catty woman. It throws a wrench in the believability factor.  OK, she's macho, I get it. But then we're served the "I just want to scratch your eyes out" line on the hanger deck as she dumps Sam. That line left me screaming "WHAT"? Make up your mind Ron!

I have a family member who was an interrogation officer in the US Armyâ€" she's now in the CIA.  She's tough as nails and could probably kill you with her pinky finger.  :old_bash:  This family member moved to the US from Puerto Rico as a teen. At the time, she was in witness protection (her family apparently ran a drug cartel). Like Kara, her life wasn't all sunshine and lollipops.  She's frank, in your face and very abrasive. FYI, we aren't the best of friends. But she's doesn't think or act like a man. And her character doesn't flip from in your face to warm and fuzzy...just doesn't happen. She can be civil and I'm sure she's effectionate to her daughter and husband...but she's never catty and never the"damsel in distress" that Kara was on New Caprica (at times with Leoben) and definitely not the "I can pee farther than you" macho woman that Kara seems to be the rest of the time. 

The writers should have shadowed an active, military woman before they wrote the character of Kara Thrace. They're still feminine, they just happen to know the best place to "falcon strike" an enemy in order to kill them the fastest.  Conversely, I believe that Laura Roslin is written very well, in fact she's my favorite character on the show. Cally's character is also stellar...she is the only well written, military, female character. What happened with Kara?! I'll stop complaining now. I really do love Battlestar, its just that Starbuck and Cat really bother me. Yeah, Kara's been through hell (everyone on that show has)...but her character has been messed up from day one. And not just because she's a "conflicted" individual. Ron just can't figure out what he wants to do with her...who she should be.  I know, they need to add Counselor Troi to this fleet. Maybe these messed-up characters can work their issues out with a professional shrink aboard Galactica.  ;)

The end... ;D

Some interesting stuff there Jen.  Pretty big BSG thread going already.  I'll merge this over to that so it gets a bit more attention....

Just read this on TV guide.com

A Sci Fi Channel rep is now confirming what I've been hinting at for weeks: Battlestar Galactica is saying "Frak you!" to Friday.

The galaxy's best space epic ever is heading to Sundays at 10 pm beginning Jan. 21, when the show returns with the second half of Season 3.

Thats interesting. I know here in Canada they show it on Saturdays, so I wonder how that will affect our air Date. This reminds me of the X-Files, it got its start on Fridays, then moved to Sunday evenings. I always prefered friday night, but maybe because it means I dont have a life :P

I really like it on Friday nights.  Something to sit back and enjoy after a long week.  Not sure why they are moving it.  I don't like the change of day and time especially.  Most likely I will be watching it on my TIVO Monday nights come January.  I can only predict this will hurt it's ratings.

There may be another thread of this, but I promise to get caught up. I have watched every episode as it aired and I also listen to 3 different Battlestar Podcasts so I feel prepared to comment. I didn't see it anywhere else, but there is a very funny video on SciFi.com about the New Battlestar.

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=35344

I have never posted a link before so you may need to copy and paste into your browser.

Most about my thoughts later. Love the podcast.

The link worksâ€"no worries. Folks, she sings this song while I 'm trying to work. Its very catchy...maybe a little too catchy.
:D

Time to revive this thread after a week hiatus. I really liked this weeks episode. I thought the continuation of the Lee/Kara relatiinship totally needed filling in and what a great way to do it. I also loved Adam's speech after his fight with Tyler. I really thought they did a great job on an episode I assumed was going to be nothing more  than filler.

I agree, I thought this show was going to be filler as well, but surprisingly deeper. The relationship between Kara and Lee was interesting, and they took something that seemed obvious and gave it a bit of a surprise twist. The way Adama remotivated the troops I liked as well. Going back to the planet and going over some stories before the Cylon occupation, helped fill out how some had gotten down there.

I really enjoyed this weeks BSG episode the passage. The episodes that involve the Galactica and the entire fleet, are always favorites of mine. I have enjoyed most of the episodes so far this year, but this one took it back to the roots of the series for me, which is the Galactica sheparding the entire fleet to safety.

Wow, they totally took me from loathing Kat to loving her! She did a great job in this episode it's almost a sheme she won't be back, though I think her character as a foil for Starbuck didn't have any where to go.

Quote from: Bryancd on December 09, 2006, 07:51:04 PM
Wow, they totally took me from loathing Kat to loving her! She did a great job in this episode it's almost a sheme she won't be back, though I think her character as a foil for Starbuck didn't have any where to go.

I have to agree with Bryan; I couldn't wait for them to kill her off. Until this last episode, I couldn't stand Kat, now I feel a little guilty for hating her so much. What a great episode! All she needed was a good back story and a dash of honor. Viola! They made her into a likeable, well rounded character. I think this episode is number two, just behind the season premier. Most excellent.  ;D

Well I DVR'd the season three marathon and finally started to watch it today. I got through the first four episodes of season three.. I'm trying to watch them all before tomorrow night when it comes back. But so far I'm loving season three. I know this was mentioned before but seeing Galactica drop from the sky and then jump from atmo feet from the surface... WOW!!! Can't wait to go back and read this thread.. and then actually contribute to it with new episodes.

Thats great your enjoying season 3 Kenny, I think it is really great, with some really solid episodes. It really started of with a bang, with some really big epsiodes with some great special effects. They followed it up with some really great dramatic epsiodes that really rounded out the story and characters a lot. I am counting the minutes to Sunday evening.

YAY! It's gonna be in tonight!!  :cylon *does the cylon dance*  :cylon

The time slot kinda sucks, considering I have exams tomorrow... I probably shouldn't be going to bed late, but, don't worry. I know my priorities. ;)  :D

My wife, for an early funny Valentine's Day present, just bought me the new issue of Playboy with Tricia Hefler in it! I love my wife! LOL!

Quote from: Bryancd on January 21, 2007, 06:00:34 AM
My wife, for an early funny Valentine's Day present, just bought me the new issue of Playboy with Tricia Hefler in it! I love my wife! LOL!

LOL, you're a very lucky man!  :thumbsup ;) :D

Were the articles any good?  ::)

I told my wife it is said that the articles are very good. She said, "well, are they" I said I wouldn't know ;).

May I be the first to say, coming back from watching the new episode...
Oh...
My...

GODS!

Frakin' awesome!

(now I must sleep)

Say goodnight Xena...
What a great episode. I loved where this is going. The tag team on the Bay Ship was a highlight (don't want to ruin it for the folks outside the US). And Dualla's dialog with Starbuck was classic. Though Starbuck earned a punch in the face; I loved the stay awake slap Dualla gave Starbuck. 
This could be the start of an awesome second half of the season. I say this episode surpasses the demise of Kat episode for second place, just behind the season premiere. :Bow:

That was a pretty cool Epsiode. Very ingenious how Sharon(Athena) got on to the BaseStar to retrieve her Baby. I am not sure what they are planning with Starbuck, and I am thinking something that I hope I am not correct in.
Sorry to See Deanna/Xena go, but I suspect she will be back down the road.

The episode was good and I very glad it is back.  But in the promos they said someone would find out they are a Cylon.  So who exactly were they referring to?  Baltar certainly did not get his question answered.  And how is Starbuck's painting from way back play a role?  She can't be a Cylon.  Hmmm....

I would have thought deactivating an entire line of human-Cylons (they only have 12 lines right) would be a significant decision to make.  I wonder if the show will look into the impact of making this decision will have on their community.  No 'line' is safe now -- anyone could be deactivated.  Just a thought...

-Rick

Quote from: RickPeete on January 21, 2007, 09:55:46 PM
And how is Starbuck's painting from way back play a role?  She can't be a Cylon.  Hmmm....

How can you know that? My moneys on the fact that she's on of the final five. ;)

(don't worry if you haven't seen the episode, it's not a spoiler, just speculation on my part.)

Interesting episode.  But, this final five part is kind of bugging me.  I'm feeling a little too teased now.  Especially after Diana's little sequence in the temple place.  She obviously recognized at least one of the final five.  I really don't think any of them is Baltar - that would be just a bit too easy.  Is one of them Starbuck?  Possibly.  Ron Moore doesn't shy away from big moves like this.  Also, who's to say the final five have the same agenda as the other cylons.  I thought I read somewhere that we will know who the five are by the end of this season.  I was glad to see Sharon get her kid back too.  Happy to see the show is back!  :)

I hadn't considered Starbuck as one of the final five.  That is a cool thought.  I agree that I do not think Baltar is one of the final five.  It could also be the President (remember, she has the visions).

My comment was just that in a 'closed community' like the Cylons, wouldn't they have issues with cellular degradation from cloning?  Wouldn't reducing the gene pool have an impact on their society (like that episode from TNG with the female engineer wanting to leave that planet of genetically engineered people)?  And how would the centurions react if they thing their 'gods' are less than perfect because they have (effectively) killed off one of their own kind?

We watched it last night, and I thought it was good show.  I liked it for the same reasons Rico enjoyed it... but Starbuck?  Oh, they just can't!  But they probably will....  I just let a guy borrow my video tape of BTG the original series... he was loving it.  Simpler times.   :ohwell

Quote from: Rico on January 22, 2007, 04:31:35 AM
I really don't think any of them is Baltar - that would be just a bit too easy.  Is one of them Starbuck?  Possibly.  Ron Moore doesn't shy away from big moves like this.  Also, who's to say the final five have the same agenda as the other cylons.  I thought I read somewhere that we will know who the five are by the end of this season.  I was glad to see Sharon get her kid back too.  Happy to see the show is back!  :)

I think the painting was more of a signal that Starbuck’s the key to finding Earth. Who needs Baltar when you have a hero who can see the future?  This episode implied that Starbuck has a psychic ability; I think this ability will grow in the coming episodes and she will seek more spiritual guidance…maybe her attitude will change, but her species won’t. I may eat my words later, but I’m going to go out on a limb on this one and say I don't think she’s a skin job.  Here's why: Ron Moore has taken the 'easy route' several times to tie up plot lines. The cure to Laura’s cancer and "fat"/"skinny" Lee are just two examples of Moore's easy plot resolutions. There are several other examples but I'll stop there. :)

I think Moore probably does have plans to make Baltar a Cylon. The Six in his head definately thinks he is. I agree that there are people we trust, onboard Galactica, who are a cylons. I’m just not sure as sure that it’s Starbuck. I think that development would be too close to Sharon’s story.

Okay, there is so much to discuss. Yes I watched it but was on West Coast Time and it was really late before I saw it. Anyway... Sad about Xena, but alas it had to happen I guess. Two things: 1) The Cylon that Xena was talking to has to be a human that she personally hurt or went up against. I just feel that way because of the way she said "I am sorry." She did not apologize for the group, but for herself. 2) Does anyone else think that there is something more to Dean Stockwell's cylon. Like why was it him? The only one there to tell the 3s goodbye. Maybe because he was responsible for getting rid of the "5" and now that she knows who they are she is a threat to the Cavel model's plan. Anyway, it was a good episode that took many unexpected, but great turns.

Well guys.. two more episodes 10 & 11 and I'll be able to watch last night's episode and be all caught up.. I can't wait to join in the conversation. BTW.. loving season three.. so different then the last two.

Quote from: Archangela on January 22, 2007, 02:23:05 PM
Anyway... Sad about Xena, but alas it had to happen I guess. Two things: 1) The Cylon that Xena was talking to has to be a human that she personally hurt or went up against. I just feel that way because of the way she said "I am sorry." She did not apologize for the group, but for herself. 2) Does anyone else think that there is something more to Dean Stockwell's cylon. Like why was it him? The only one there to tell the 3s goodbye. Maybe because he was responsible for getting rid of the "5" and now that she knows who they are she is a threat to the Cavel model's plan. Anyway, it was a good episode that took many unexpected, but great turns.

You made a good point about Xena saying "I'm sorry". She tortured Baltar for info, thinking that he was a human with the directions to Earth. I think she was talking to him.

These 5 cylons are probably going to be nagging at everyone for the next little while. I will know that I will be interested to find out who they are.  I am hoping that Starbucks paintings are more of an indication that she has a higher spiritual knowledge of where earth is then being one of the 5 cylons.
I am looking forward to next week already and counting the minutes. Up here in Canada, our previews are abit different, and they showed a lot of the crew wanting to throw Baltar out an Airlock.

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You made a good point about Xena saying "I'm sorry". She tortured Baltar for info, thinking that he was a human with the directions to Earth. I think she was talking to him.
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I just saw it again. She is talking to the "light" person when she says it. She doesn't see Baltar yet. However that could be an interpretation.

Saw it...Loved it.  But something that needs to be kept in mind with the Final 5.....It has been stated that the cylon infiltrators had been roaming the colonies only 2 years before the invasion.  Which leads me to believe that anyone with a history that can be traced more than 2 years cannot be a Cylon.  To me this would disqualify most of the "main" characters...ie Adama, Tigh, CHief Apollo, Starbuck etc.  Now I do think Starbuck may become the model that replaces #3 (Xena) because Starbuck has had tissue taken by the skinjobs but I do not believe that she is actual original skinjob Cylon.

Did any of that make sense?

Your idea is interesting too. Yep, I know where you're going with that one. Its a good hypothesis.  My defense of Starbuck is that she had her ovaries stolen. The Toasters would need a real human in order to make use of them. Even if they didn't know she was a Cylon, and they still removed those organs, they would have found out they were useless Cylon replications.  But who knows...Ron Moore is pretty good at going back and "rewriting" stuff, showing us little flash backs in order to make the story like that work.

I think that "the five" were in existence way before they nuked Caprica...and if I'm right then they wouldn't have had Starbuck's DNA for your replication theory to work.  :)
Archangela has a interesting hypothesis.

Okay my theory is that the final "five" are like the first generation parent cylons. This is more of an analysis than a theory, but bare with me. It makes sense because the 7 that are going around killing and being crazy are like child or teenage beings. Look at Caprica Six and Sharon... they are rebelling and finding their path just like kids in high school. While I am thinking (hoping) that the final five are basically benevolent beings who want peace with the humans. Maybe exposure to the humans leads you down the path closer to that of the final five. And don't forget that they are trying to draw connections between the Cylon God and the Colony's Gods/esses. This is just as much a spiritual journey as it is a journey to earth. I will try to make sense out of it later.

Well I did it.. I watched all of season 1, 2 and caught up with 3 in a matter of a few months. And I just finished watching the new episode and I'm all caught up. YAY!!!

I agree with Archangela about D'Anna recognizing one of the "final 5" It's was someone she knew (which would mean someone we (the tv audience) will know) and did something too.

What I want to know is how are the "final 5" as we are calling them, associated with the 13th Colony? The Eye of Jupiter temple was built by the 13 Colony (or we at least assume that) but when D'Anna enters the temple and stands in the Nova light she has a vision of the "final 5" and then dies. What would have happend if a human stood in the light, would they see the "final 5" or their Gods?

For that matter are the "final 5" the Cylon gods? Because the Cylons believe in one god.

Why was the Chief drawn to the temple?? Does he have a bigger part to this story?

So many questions....

Can't wait for next weeks episode.

Yeah Kenny! You did it! I'm happy you can join the conversations now. You posed some good questions. I think they're setting Starbuck and Chief up to have a larger spiritual role. Yeah, I wonder what would have happened if Starbuck or Chief stood in the light and why, if its a temple built by humans, would the 5 Cylons appear to Xena?  Hummmm, could they be human Gods?

That's what I was thinking.. do the humans and the Cylons share the same Gods??

Sounds like an intersting plot twist to me.   :)

Intresting theory.. if God/Gods created Man and Man created Cylons.. then didn't the God/Gods create the Cylons?? They all play a part in the bigger picture.

Interesting....  okay now I just had a WILD thought...

So in a bazaar twist, we find out that the 13th Colony left the other 12 because of a difference in philosophy -- they embraced the Cylons and incorporated them into their community rather than just having them serve as slaves and worker bees.  A similar evolution took place in their world producing human/Cylon hybrids that were accepted as part of their community.  No wars, no strife. And they do not have resusitation chambers so when they die, they go to their Gods.

Five of those hybrids somehow met up with the banished Cylons and helped them evolve into 'skinjobs'.  But they die before the full evolution can be completed which is why they cannot breed yet.  Consequently, the skinjobs are obsessed with NOT dying so they invent the resusitation capabilities and they are on a quest for the 13 Colony because they think that it is THERE where their final journey can be completed.

Obviously, this would mean that the 13th Colony is not 'our' Earth.  (Hmmm... or IS it?)

Thoughts?

Quote from: RickPeete on January 23, 2007, 06:20:48 PM
Interesting....  okay now I just had a WILD thought...

So in a bazaar twist, we find out that the 13th Colony left the other 12 because of a difference in philosophy -- they embraced the Cylons and incorporated them into their community rather than just having them serve as slaves and worker bees.  A similar evolution took place in their world producing human/Cylon hybrids that were accepted as part of their community.  No wars, no strife. And they do not have resusitation chambers so when they die, they go to their Gods.

Five of those hybrids somehow met up with the banished Cylons and helped them evolve into 'skinjobs'.  But they die before the full evolution can be completed which is why they cannot breed yet.  Consequently, the skinjobs are obsessed with NOT dying so they invent the resusitation capabilities and they are on a quest for the 13 Colony because they think that it is THERE where their final journey can be completed.

Obviously, this would mean that the 13th Colony is not 'our' Earth.  (Hmmm... or IS it?)

Thoughts?

Inetresting... however the Cylons were created way WAY after the original 13 colonies... at least I that's how I remember it. I don't think they were around in the colonisation period...

I think you are correct.  But what if the philosophical difference is the way in which technology was moving.  Similar to issues we face today with genetic engineering, cloning, and the like.  If they started down a path of experimentation with that (perhaps against the teachings of the Gods), then they might have split from the 12 to pursue their own vision of the future.

So there may not have been Cylons when they split, but a similar but not exactly parallel development of the two societies could have brought on a different response to the creation of cybernetic beings when the ability was first perfected.

Quote from: Jen on January 23, 2007, 05:54:51 PM
Yeah Kenny! You did it! I'm happy you can join the conversations now. You posed some good questions. I think they're setting Starbuck and Chief up to have a larger spiritual role. Yeah, I wonder what would have happened if Starbuck or Chief stood in the light and why, if its a temple built by humans, would the 5 Cylons appear to Xena?  Hummmm, could they be human Gods?

What if Chief DID stand in the temple and see something. They just didn't show it. ??

Great Show can't wait till next weeks episode. Not sure I like the new time slot.

Yeah I'm not too happy on the new time and day either.  I really got used to it on Friday nights.

I agree...I hate it when networks move our favorite shows around. That's how some shows end up with bad ratings and eventually canned.

Quote from: Rico on January 24, 2007, 04:44:49 AM
Yeah I'm not too happy on the new time and day either.  I really got used to it on Friday nights.

Our whole week is frakked up now.  We used to have a set Friday night TV date and now we're doing late nights Sunday and Monday night which makes for a sickly and tired teacher on Tuesday...

You're getting old when going to bed at 11 is "being up late".

Mr. O

Quote from: Rico on January 24, 2007, 04:44:49 AM
Yeah I'm not too happy on the new time and day either.  I really got used to it on Friday nights.

Yes I agree I hate when the move around TV shows.. but the ratings for Sunday night were really good. If the move to Sunday means we get to keep BSG around another season.. then I don't mind watching it on Sunday.

The New time slot works for me pretty good, as I actually get it at 8:00 pm where I live

Thank the good Lord for the Dish cuz I can watch at 7:00 rather than 10.

Other than this last sunday, (sorry y'all I had to watch the game  - but thank the gods for DVR :) )  I think sundays will be better for me. I can watch Rome, dvr dresden and then catch bsg live and finish the night off with some spooky wizard stuff. Pretty cool.

Fridays were allways hard as the kids are allways doing things, going places, having friends over ect...

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Inetresting... however the Cylons were created way WAY after the original 13 colonies... at least I that's how I remember it. I don't think they were around in the colonisation period...
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RickPeete... Yes an interesting theory. But if that were the case... if there were bad blood regarding the rogue 13th colony, wouldn't there be something about it in the attitude towards them. Towards finding earth and what would they find there? I think rather than story predictions we also need to look at theme -- like the supernatural vs. the physical. And how does the 13th colony or the final 5 fit into that theme. Which is supernatural and which is physical or are they both. Okay getting confusing. I just don't think that there is a solid answer or there ever will be.

I noticed this morning, that they posted the podcast of episode 313 for BSG today. If your Podcast Catching software brings it down, you may want to avoid it until after the epsiode airs, if you dont want spoilers.

Yeah, sometimes they come out a little early.  But I wait to listen until after I see the episodes.

I felt James Callis did a really great Job In January 28 epsiode. Those scenes he did of the interogation, and especially in the water, were fantastic. He has really added a lot to the Character of Gauis Baltar, and he keeps stepping it up a notch every episode. I am looking forward to his upcoming trial, as I am sure it will add even more to the stroyline. I am hoping that this is the end of the Lee/Kara relationship storyline, for a good while. I will admit it felt like a chore sitting though it last night, waiting for more story with Baltar/Adama/Roslyn.

I cant wait for his trial, he real plays the victim of circumstance angle really well. I really hope there is a 4th season and the caprica series takes off.

Interesting episode.  My only problem in this episode is it seems they didn't change or resolve much by the end of it.  I was expecting something more to change in the main characters and who they are with, etc.  I liked the way it was filmed and edited.  Eddie Olmos directed this one.

Quote from: Rico on January 30, 2007, 04:44:10 AM
Interesting episode.  My only problem in this episode is it seems they didn't change or resolve much by the end of it.  I was expecting something more to change in the main characters and who they are with, etc.  I liked the way it was filmed and edited.  Eddie Olmos directed this one.

Yah... the whole "I married you; I love you; I'm staying with you" seemed like the weirdest way to end the episode.  I was expecting a resolution that was more like... a resolution, not a continuation of the status quo.

Mr. O

I was expecting a bad one this time around but was happy it ended fairly well..I have to admit the whole "love square" thing is getting old. I'm glad they resolved it all...but I'm afraid it will eventually all come up again. :smilie_bleh:

Cry yourself a river, build yourself a bridge and GET OVER IT! GEEZ...I wish Lee would grow some manhood. His indecisiveness is very unattractive to me. I don't care how cut his arms are, he's not all that if he's a pile of indecisive mush. Its not the emotional part of him that bothers me, its his indecisiveness. "I love Kara, no I love Dualla...I love them both...Should I leave Dualla for Kara? Should I stay with Dualla? I'm married to Dualla...But I still love Kara...I'll stay with Dualla, but I'll stare admiringly at Kara from afar." Excuse me, I had to brush my teeth after all that cause he made me puked!  :ohmy

Well, at least he made the right decision and stayed with his wife who is obviously the more faithful, admiring, love you back choice...Kara's doesn't seem really interested in remaining monogamous.  I hope she straightens up soon...I really want to like her character...but I don't.  Isn't she an ace pilot? When are going to get back to that?

In closing...I'm glad its over for now. It wrapped it up fairly well. Chief's the man. I hope Lee learns a thing or two from him.

Well said Jen.  While I do like BSG a lot, some of the characters need to grow up a bit.  Conflict and strife are kind of meaningless unless they learn from them eventually.  Sometimes they seem to be going in circles a bit too much.  Don't get me wrong, I still really like the show but I wish they would all move forward a bit.

Jen, you are SO right on the mark!  I for one could do without all the love nest crap and get to the main story arc.  They can throw in some relationship stuff but it does not have to rise to the level of 'subplot'.  Let it start and end within one episode.

I want to see where they take the Baltar trial.  I do not think he is a Cylon so I want to see who it finally is.

Since February is 'sweeps month', I am hoping so meaty 'reveals' take place soon.

I think Gaeta is startring to look a little suspiciuos!!!

I think you are right, his real reason to probably go see baltar was probably to find out if he new that he was a cylon, and that is why he tried to kill him.

As is excuse to Adama was real weak.

what do you think?

I'm thinking......... :cylon

I felt the same way as most of you about the last episode.  I found myself almost tuning out during the Kara/Lee storyline and then riveted again during the Adama/Baltar scenes.  Then again how could any episode keep up the intensity of last weeks return?

Great show Sunday.  Very "messianic" (?) imagery with regards to Baltar in the water and other shots, plus the long hair and beard.

Will be interested to see how the trial plays out.  Will it parallel the trial of Jesus?  Who will defend Baltar or will he defend himself?  What will Zarek's role in all this be?  He is a former terrorist. 

What' the deal with Gaeta?  hopefully he is not a Cylon because I like his character but I am starting to wonder.  Speaking of wondering....What did Baltar whisper in Gaeta's ear that totalyy sent him off the deep end???

Also from last weeks episode.....Who did D'Anna see as a member of the "Final Five" that shocked her and caused her to apologize?  Could it be Gaeta? The Oracle?  Eleen Tigh?  Starbuck?  WHO?!?!?!

man I love this show.

Well I finally got to see this episode and let me say I liked it, but I agree with Jen for the most part.. Both Lee and Starbuck were driving me crazy. I'm glad they ended this part of the story (at least for now). I also agree with Jen.. I'm not a huge Starbuck fan, she's never been a favorite and she's even less of a favorite now. I'm glad De gave Lee a second chance.. let's just hope he doesn't blow it (which I"m sure he will).

I hate Baltar and guess that is a good thing. I want to see him really suffer and die a slow and painful death. I hope they don't drag out the trail for too many episodes.

You know I never really thought of Gaeta as a Cylon but it does make sense, but then again you can say that about 2/3's of the main human characters :)

Gaeta flipped on Baltar because Balter whispered, "you are a cylon" in his ear. It's GOT to be it!

Quote from: Bryancd on January 31, 2007, 03:53:50 PM
Gaeta flipped on Baltar because Balter whispered, "you are a cylon" in his ear. It's GOT to be it!

Again - from Ron Moore's podcast as I posted earlier this wasn't what Baltar said.  He was going to try to implicate Gaeta in something that happened on his home planet awhile back.  Basically to try and shift things off himself. 

I too listened to Ron's podcast and that was a line of bull! I didn't believe he had even remotley considered trying to throw that bogus story line in. Do you really think in such a well crafted show, they would throw a totally new and never explained story arc in like that?! No way, no day. As I listened to that podcast, the whole thing sounded like he was making it up as a deflection. Listen between the lines, Rico. :).

I am kind of hoping Gaeta is not a Cylon either, as I really like his Character. Like Kenny said, it could really be the any one of the majority of the cast. I think for the next while, I am hoping that what Ron Moore said about a stroyline they had decided not to use, is the reason for the whisper. I did not really share his view for a high view of this episode, half of it was great, the other half was something I could pretty well see on any soap opera.

I guess this past episode wasn't all that great.. no one has said anything or you are all like me and haven't watch it yet.. I hope to watch it tomorrow and I'll comment then.

I thought it was ok, nothing special. Agreed with Ron Moore's comment, that it didnt explore any new ground, and the theme has appeared in many other Television Series, and BSG did not add anything new to the subject.

It was an ABC after school special  :D
There was another fake "As seen previously on Battlestar Galactica". That technique just seems lazy to me. I guess its the only way to insert new stories that we need more background on.

There were alot of incongruities. Head Balter reappears and Six is being observed in her  cage "talking to herself" (she's making out with the air)â€"UnCOMFORTABLE. That was at the begining of the show and we never see her or "head Baltar" again. It felt like an after thought. The dialog between Baltar and Six was VERY interesting...it was good...but did it belong to this particular episode?

Oh and Cylon's fold clothes now! ;)

I think Angela and I will be discussing this on our next podcast this Saturday. This episode really disappointed her. But I still found it entertaining dispite its problems. Ty is as honory as ever....I love that character.  :D

Yeah, Ty is one ornery SOB.  Ever since the New Caprica arc he has been my favorite character.

Sci Fi announced on Tuesday morning that it has renewed Battlestar Galactica for a fourth season with a minimum of 13 hours.

Quote from: pickard on February 14, 2007, 05:23:31 AM
Yeah, Ty is one ornery SOB.  Ever since the New Caprica arc he has been my favorite character.

Sci Fi announced on Tuesday morning that it has renewed Battlestar Galactica for a fourth season with a minimum of 13 hours.

Yeah beginning in JANUARY OF '08?!?!  BSG has apparently become the Soprano's of the Sci-Fi Channel.

I agree with Jen...an OK episode but it has been done.  And I could not agree more about the seemingly out of place (for this ep) storyline of Caprica Six and Head Baltar....3 minutes at the beginning and then gone.  Like I sadi...OK but it could have been better.

Here's the article from Sci fi.com

Battlestar Renewed For Season 4

SCI FI Channel announced that it has renewed its Peabody-winning original series Battlestar Galactica, ordering 13 new episodes. Production will resume this summer in Vancouver, Canada, with an eye toward a January 2008 premiere.

The decision comes after the series' successful move to a new 10 p.m. timeslot on Sundays. Since moving, Battlestar Galactica's audience has grown over its third-season average by 8 percent in total viewers, by double digits in female viewers, by 19 percent in the show's target demographic of adults aged 18-49 and by 14 percent in adults 25-54. The Jan. 28 episode, "Taking a Break From All Your Worries," delivered 2.5 million total viewers and 1.6 million adults 18-49, the largest audience for any episode since the season-two premiere.

"We're thrilled to bring Battlestar back for another season," Mark Stern, SCI FI's executive vice president of programming, said in a statement. "This series has delivered on every level, from the writing to the acting to the production values. SCI FI is proud to be the home of the best show on television."

The series is from NBC Universal Television Studio and is executive-produced by Ronald D. Moore and David Eick. Its cast is led by Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Katee Sackhoff, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Tricia Helfer and Grace Park. Battlestar recently returned with the second half of its third original season, immediately following SCI FI's newest original series, The Dresden Files.

"While we never had any doubt that SCI FI would get behind a fourth season of Battlestar, it's thrilling to finally make it official, and for Ron and I to continue using this great genre to investigate the darker corners of society, politics and humanity," executive producer David Eick said in a statement.

Thats great news the BSG has been picked up for another season. I am disappointed that we will have to wait until January for it, and that it may only be half a season.

Well I finally watch last Sunday's episode and after reading your comments I went in with low expectations... but I actually really enjoyed it. I like the character of Helo and his character has gone through alot, it was so good to see him do something "right" and good for a change.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on February 14, 2007, 08:37:05 PM
Well I finally watch last Sunday's episode and after reading your comments I went in with low expectations... but I actually really enjoyed it. I like the character of Helo and his character has gone through alot, it was so good to see him do something "right" and good for a change.

I agree Kenny. It was nice that Helo got to be the hero for a change. I still thought it was entertaining and I was happy that poor Helo got that chance. But the uber geek in me wants to be picky, especially since I know Ron Moore has done better. The story seemed so forced. Why the heck couldn't anyone just check out the darn civilian doc? I didn't get what the big Frak'n dealio was. Ok, Ty supposidly knew him on New Caprica, but we didn't...this was our first introduction to this doctor and the writers had a responsibility to make us believe he and Ty had a history and that he was some how important. I don't think they did a very good job with that.

Also, In the past, everyone has just gone along with whatever Helo did, good or bad, especially Admiral Adama. Yet in this episode, Adama gets up in Helo's face. It really seemed out of character, and very abrupt.  :blink I think these things were the root problem with the episode, at least for me.

The begining of the episode with Dewala, Lee and crew,  bouncing down the halls laughing and cutting up like high schoolers also felt out of character to me. Especially since we just saw them all at each other's throats for the past 3 or four episodes. Tension between everyone, after the last show, was still somewhat there. Now they're skipping down the halls doing a "90210" imitation?  :cheering

:D I can't take credit for the 91210, the hosts of Galactica Watercooler came up with that anology, but I totally agree it was very teenie-bopper.

Quote from: Jen on February 15, 2007, 07:12:13 PM
The begining of the episode with Dewala, Lee and crew,  bouncing down the halls laughing and cutting up like high schoolers also felt out of character to me. Especially since we just saw them all at each other's throats for the past 3 or four episodes. Tension between everyone, after the last show, was still somewhat there. Now they're skipping down the halls doing a "90210" imitation?  :cheering

:D I can't take credit for the 91210, the hosts of Galactica Watercooler came up with that anology, but I totally agree it was very teenie-bopper.

Now I have to say I disagree about the out of character part.  We see a lot of the negative, the angry, the fuming etc.  We needed a chance to see them with their hair down.  We needed to be reminded that they like each other, or at the least that they can put on the face of liking each other.

I wasn't bothered by it as much as minded the fact that this episode was "plunked in" just to be there.  Random doctor out of no where.  No development of this "Racism".  No history for these refugees.  Like the guys at GWC, I was like "Give me a LINE to explain this...."

The episode felt like it had been sitting in a binder since season 1, waiting to be pulled out when they needed some filler and some bashing of the overly religious....

Mr. O

I respect you're opinion Mr. O... And I like to see people getting along too. I'm quite tired of all the bickering, but you have to admit that the scene in the corridor was over the top.  They were just at eachothers' throats now they're best buds? It was 90210 in space.

You can't see me, but I'm making the "W" sign with my hands and giving it my best to pull off the Valley Girl accent with a over dramatic phrase of "What...EVER" .  :D
LOL...

I wonder if this is a way to interject the whole racism issue into the show for some 'future' side-plot complication...  If not, then it was a waste of effort to even bring it up in the first place.

I was confused by the whole Six and Baltar scene in the beginning.  I think it was only there to fuel the speculation that he is a Cylon.  If he isn't a Cylon, then I have a hard time figuring out what that scene represented.  I do not think Baltar is a Cylon (that would just be way too easy) so the scene is buggin me.

Yesterday, I listened to both Ron Moore's episode commentary podcast and the latest Galactica Watercooler podcast.

According to RDM, the Sagittaron storyline was being built up to have consequences later on at the end of the season.  However, when they ended up doing those final episodes, they made the decision to not follow through on it.  So, this episode will, in retrospect, appear to have no great purpose in the grand BSG storyline.  There was Sagittaron backstory going back to the New Caprica colonization and Gaeda's assault on Baltar was tied to that.

I understood all the criticisms in the GWC podcast.  Having already listened to RDM, though, I already had a lot of the answers to the questions they asked.

I can't recommend enough to fans that they listen to the official commentary.  It's a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at how a great show is put together.  And some episodes, like this one, are really enhanced with the extra information you get.

For example, while watching the episode, I thought Adama and Doc Cottle were much too dismissive of Helo.  Knowing the backstory, it all makes sense.  (And, yes, it is a flaw of the episode that you need to listen to the podcast for those characters' actions to make sense.  RDM admitted as much this week.)

The "90210 scene" didn't seem out-of-character to me.  It was nice to have a scene where the heroes weren't at each other's throats.   We've had them before, but it's been a long while.

Quote from: pickard on February 18, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
Yesterday, I listened to both Ron Moore's episode commentary podcast and the latest Galactica Watercooler podcast.

yeah you have to listen to Ron's podcasts.

Ron didn't much care for this episode.  He was as honest as he could be, I think. 

After his commentary, the episode did indeed make much more sense. 

Yes, After Rons podcast, the episode made much more sense regarding Helo. I had always felt that Helo had got away with his actions earlier in the season with killing the cylons and spoiling Galacticas Plans. I guess unofficially he was punished with a loss of respect from his crew mates and being assigned a bad assignment. I just never really picked up on it in the epsiode, though it should have seemed obvious. In this case, I actually may have been better served listening to Ron Moores podcast before actually seeing the episode. ;)

I agree Pickard, we shouldn't have to listen to an "after the fact" podcast to make sense of the episode. I do listen to Ron Moore's podcast for inside info and I think if they felt the Sagitaron story needed to be cut from all the other episodes, then it defiantly shouldn't have been used as a stand alone show. It was weakened by the removal of the story arch in the previous episodes. After listening to Ron's podcast, I know why it felt sort of slapped together. That's all I have to say 'bout that. :)

Tonight's episode was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better! Very well written! But I'm fearing the "brig" scene I saw in the preview. Chief and Cally just went above and beyond in tonight's episode and next week Cheif will be tossed in the brig for treason?   :D

Arhhhh....must...give...next...episode...a...chaaance....before...I...criticize....agh!   ;)

Quote from: Jen on February 18, 2007, 05:57:28 PM
I agree Pickard, we shouldn't have to listen to an "after the fact" podcast to make sense of the episode.

QFT

I liked the scenes with Chief and Cally in last nights epsiode. All the scenes with them trying to patch the airlock, and then blowing them out the Airlock, I really enjoyed. Part of me thought, that they might kill Cally off, especially with their marriage troubles as of late, happy they did not. I will admit the other part of the episode with Adama and the sequences with his ex wife was not all that interesting to me. Not sure if I really am that interested in seeing Adama and Roslin get together, prefer their relationship to be as it is. After this episode, I am really looking forward to Baltars trial, and now it looks like Apollo will play a part in it.

I really enjoyed this episode.. I'm so happy the are staying away from Apollo/Starbuck storyline. Last week Helo, this week Chief/Cally. I really enjoyed their story. I agree with Jeff, I thought they were going to kill off Cally but I'm glad they didn't. One thing I disagree with Jeff is I like the idea of Adama and Roslin being together. I like the chemistry they have. I didn't mind the Adama backstory but I enjoyed the Chief and Cally story more. I'm glad they are going to try and work things out.

I like Roslin and Adama too. But I hope they string that along for as long as possible. I like the "Picard and Crusher" relationship they have.
I was REALLY happy we didn't rehash the Starbuck/Lee thing...but I won't go there again. Over all I liked every aspect of this episode, not sure what I think about the "Lee has always wanted to be a lawyer" thing...That was really convenient given the trial. What kid sneaks off to read law books? Seemed weird.

Agreed, very good episode. I too like the Adama/Rosin relationship and tought the Adama backstory was very good. I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

Quote from: Bryancd on February 19, 2007, 06:04:29 PM
Agreed, very good episode. I too like the Adama/Rosin relationship and tought the Adama backstory was very good. I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

Wow. Ok...If  you call biting the face of a potential rapist, shooting a traitor,
defiance despite Cylon imprisonment or being an excellent mother weak then I guess she deserves to die.   :D

She's the toughest dame in the fleet and she doesn't need to smoke a cigar to prove it.  :smilie_bleh:

Quote from: Bryancd on February 19, 2007, 06:04:29 PM
I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

LOL.  Bryan man what a line. 

We really liked this episode.  My wife would like to see more of Adama/Stands with a Fist but to me that usually ruins the relationship in a TV show.

I like it how it is, just there beneath the surface, kinda like Calvin and Suzy Derkins. 

Quote from: Jen on February 19, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
She's the toughest dame in the fleet and she doesn't need to smoke a cigar to prove it.  :smilie_bleh:

I think that's what I like about her too.  She's got a quiet resiliance.  Some have to be out there "being manly" while Calli just gets the job done.  I also feel for her because she never wanted a military carreer, though that career probably saved her life.

What I thought was good about this episode was that it wasn't all about Athena's flying or the plan to save them, but they put a lot of focus on the Cheif's love for her.  I thought that was well done.

Mr. O

Quote from: Jen on February 18, 2007, 08:27:22 PM
Tonight's episode was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better! Very well written! But I'm fearing the "brig" scene I saw in the preview. Chief and Cally just went above and beyond in tonight's episode and next week Cheif will be tossed in the brig for treason?   :D

Arhhhh....must...give...next...episode...a...chaaance....before...I...criticize....agh!   ;)

COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!! I am having a real hard time not criticizing either but....I am REALLY NOT looking forward to next weeks episode for a couple of reasons. 

First off, Jen you nailed it...Chief and Cally are the central GOOD/sympathetic characters this week and next week they are mutineers???? HUH??? 

Second, the premise (based on the preview) strikes me as utterly out of character for both and just downright ludicrous.  Chief and Cally are core members of the New Caprica resistance and have many, many reasons to hate Baltar.  But all of a sudden Cally is smitten with Karl Marxs'...uh I mean Baltar's pseudo-Communist Manifesto....GIVE ME A BREAK ::)

Finally, and many might site circumstances as a reason but Chief and Cally are members of the military and I have a hard time seeing actions like this out of seemingly stables members of the military.  If you join the military (10 year vet of the USAF myself) and you are enlisted then you realize that the officers are "above you"...period....chain of command, all that nonsense. Military members do NOT look at officers as the "ruling class" or if they do it is most certainly NOT from the standpoint of, again, what can only be described as a Communist Proletariat versus Bourgeois point of view

Again what I saw in the preview just seemed so ABSOLUTELY not in line with the characters as they have been developed thus far. Apparently Galactica is becoming Russia, circa 1917. Sorry for the rant,  Just my 2 cents.

Now, as for last nights episode...great...a 100% improvement over last week.  The rescue was awesome.  The Chief/Cally storyline was great.  I too enjoy the Adama/Roslin storyline, I love Mary McDonnell...I have since I saw her as a teen in a little-known show with Eliot GOuld called ER...looooong before the Michael Crighton series with Clooney, Edwards, Wyle et al.

Quote from: Jen on February 19, 2007, 06:58:36 PM

Quote from: Bryancd on February 19, 2007, 06:04:29 PM
Agreed, very good episode. I too like the Adama/Rosin relationship and tought the Adama backstory was very good. I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

Wow. Ok...If  you call biting the face of a potential rapist, shooting a traitor,
defiance despite Cylon imprisonment or being an excellent mother weak then I guess she deserves to die.   :D

She's the toughest dame in the fleet and she doesn't need to smoke a cigar to prove it.  :smilie_bleh:

Sorry, I didn't mean weak as in her character is wimpy, I meant it in terms of what I feel she brings to the show. Her character just has never been very interesting to me, even when she was gunning Sharon done in the hallway!

Quote from: Darth Gaos on February 20, 2007, 08:34:42 AM
Military members do NOT look at officers as the "ruling class" or if they do it is most certainly NOT from the standpoint of, again, what can only be described as a Communist Proletariat versus Bourgeois point of view

Historically they did becuase they were.

While not a vet myself, let me relate this story from re-eancting.  It's July and I'm at Monmouth Court House.  It's 98 degrees in the shade, there is no wind, it is noon, I'm standing on black asphalt and I'm wearing 3 layers of wool and linen, a black felt hat (thankfully was brimmed and not tricorned) and am standing at attention with a 12 lb musket.

Meanwhile, in the shade, sipping, I kid you not, Iced Tea is our officer.  When our sergeant approached him to ask if we could break ranks and take in some shade, he was rebuffed with a "not now, the battle could start and please keep the men at attention."

I found out later that we were held there for half an hour to "create a realistic experience."

It was realistic enough I don't re-enact any more.

Soooooooooo

I think that considering what everyone in BSG has gone through it's not impossible for some people to start saying "Lookit, enough.  Why should you get a bigger room, more privacy, more booze, more whatever?"  In reality they all need each other to survive and the Protestant Work Ethic and good ol' capitalism can only carry you so far.  The "world" of the characters is crowded, dirty, and undersupplied.

I think it's about time someone says "hey, why are we the little guys here?"

As for Baltar?  Hehe... what a plan.  Before they can try him for treason, he's going to put Roslyn and Adama on trial in the court of public opinion.

Said it once, said it twice, she shoulda airlocked him when she had the chance.

Mr. O

I understand what you are saying Mr O. but a couple of points if I may.

This isn't the 1770's or the 1860's...this is a civilization that has advanced to the point of having faster than light travel.  The military in this civilization has been around long enough that, to me anyway, a shift in thinking of this magnitude seems...I don't know, just completely out of whack regardless of the circumstances.  And as for the biggest room etc, Chief and Cally seem to have OK quarters judging by Sundays ep...others like Starbuck (an officer btw) have a bunk in a community living area, not any worse than a modern naval vessel.  It just seems like too large a leap in logic for this to be happening in the military at this point.  Now had this been the civilian workforce (and it could possibly be them also) I would understand it better but judging by the preview they are portraying Chief and Cally as being the Lenin/Marx of this particular situation.

Also had this been done PRE-New Caprica I would believe it more than now.  I have a real hard time believing that after what they have been through basically at the hands of Baltar that all of sudden NOW everyone begins buying into his manifesto on the struggle between classes....BALTAR??? the only person people hate more than the Cylons?!??  There had better be a big time difference between last weeks ep and this one or the suspension of disbelief will be too big even for me.

Anyway Mr O I hope you see where I am coming from and I will watch the show but.....I don't know I guess we will see.

Quote from: MrOsterman link=topic=1028.msg16893#msg16893
While not a vet myself, let me relate this story from re-eancting.  It's July and I'm at Monmouth Court House.  It's 98 degrees in the shade, there is no wind, it is noon, I'm standing on black asphalt and I'm wearing 3 layers of wool and linen, a black felt hat (thankfully was brimmed and not tricorned) and am standing at attention with a 12 lb musket.

Meanwhile, in the shade, sipping, I kid you not, Iced Tea is our officer.  When our seargent approached him to ask if we could break ranks and take in some shade, he was rebuffed with a "not now, the battle could start and please keep the men at attention."

I found out later that we were held there for half an hour to "create a realistic experience."

It was realistic enough I don't re-enact any more.

Hi Mr. O,
Its cool that you were a reenactor, I'm sorry you had to stop. I always thought I would liked to do that...but alas I'm a girl and they don't let girls carry muskets and wear a soldier's uniform. It just wouldn't be realistic.

It sounds like the "officer" you were describing needed to be booted out of the club...and maybe kicked somewhere else a few times really, really hard.  :ohbaby
You made a good point, but I'm not sure that re-enacting is comparable.

People in the military rely on one another. They watch each other's backs, they risk their lives for one another. The military may talk smack about each other but the bond is still there. Ex. the army bad mouth's the airforce but when they get in a bind what do they do? They call for air support and cheer when the "fly boys" pass over head. There's rivalry, I'm sure, but I doubt they look at an officer and say "why do I have to do this and they get to do that?"

My dad was a tank sergent in the army. He had a disdain for a few of the officers who were fresh out of the academy, had no experience and thought they were the "bomb". But dad had a deep respect for the experienced officers who looked out for and cared for their men.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that the officers on Galactica have done nothing to show that they deserve a "mutiny". They've sacrificed as much as the enlisted folks have. They put their necks on the line quite a bit. It doesn't seem realistic that there would be a "class war" on Galatica.

Here's a thought, maybe Cally is suffering from post traumatic stress syndrom. If this show is as realistic as it claims to be, then that should happen to her.  If that's the case then its easier for me to buy the whole "class issue".  I'll give it a chance before I critique next week's show, but it doesn't look promising. I just wanted to say that the relationships between military folks is a different animal.

I guess I am in the minority on the Roslyn/Adama relationship  ;D. Jen had mentioned a Picard/Crusher relationship, which I always liked as it never really distracted either character, and added a bit to both characters, and if they did that with Roslyn and Adama that would be fine with me. I guess for me, Adama and Roslyn both have a lot on their plates so to say, and adding in a relationship puts a whole bunch more on top of their characters. I guess for me, the relationships seem better for the more junior cast (i.e Apollo, Starbuck, etc..). I guess with Adama and Roslyn being Major characters in the story, I worry that it could draw away from the some of the other issues occuring on the show. That being said, if they do it and it comes off well, then I will be the first to applaud the writers and producers. I guess I am still stuck in the Star Trek mold of the captain is married to his ship  :)

Quote from: jedijeff on February 20, 2007, 08:13:44 PM
I guess I am in the minority on the Roslyn/Adama relationship  ;D. Jen had mentioned a Picard/Crusher relationship, which I always liked as it never really distracted either character, and added a bit to both characters, and if they did that with Roslyn and Adama that would be fine with me. I guess for me, Adama and Roslyn both have a lot on their plates so to say, and adding in a relationship puts a whole bunch more on top of their characters. I guess for me, the relationships seem better for the more junior cast (i.e Apollo, Starbuck, etc..). I guess with Adama and Roslyn being Major characters in the story, I worry that it could draw away from the some of the other issues occuring on the show. That being said, if they do it and it comes off well, then I will be the first to applaud the writers and producers. I guess I am still stuck in the Star Trek mold of the captain is married to his ship  :)

That makes sense to me Jeff. If they keep the tension between Roslin and Adama, and don't advance it too much, I'll be happy. I would be worried that if they did get involved the show would "jump the shark" so to speak.

Even though I always wanted Crusher to end up with Picard, I was glad they didn't pair them off on the show. I would like to think they eventually got married and stayed that way, but I dont think they ever did...darn it.

Actually, we learned in All Good Things that Picard and Crusher DID finally hook up and got married.  But for some reason they separated (probably due to their responsibilities getting in the way of them 'having' a relationship).

Now of course, since Picard stopped the anomaly, that particular 'future' may no longer be guaranteed...

-Rick

The last few Galactica shows, while interesting, for me haven't been up to their old level of standards.  They seem to be floundering a bit and spending time away from the Cylons for some reason.  While the characters shows are fun, there seem to be too many of them strung together for me.  Also, the Baltar trial thing seems kind of dumb.  They have more than enough evidence to either lock him away forever or just execute him.  They are at war.  I mean Col. Tigh killed his wife for slipping the Cylons one piece of information.  Baltar did a million more bad things than that.  Anyway, I hope Ron Moore tightens things up before the end of the season.    :cylon

I have to agree that given all the things that happened at the hands of Baltar that having people follow him into revolt seems..... odd.

However we also get to see the whole picture.  The crew only sees what's available to them.  Maybe they'll manage to show that what the Chief does is reasonable, or at least understandable.  Heck it could be even worse:  It could be a labor strike that the chief is opposed to but has to lead becuase it's what the majority of his union wants and he's too ... whatever.. to step down from his leadership role.

Have to wait and see.

Mr. O

Where did the idea this upcoming "revolt" is because of Baltar?  I must not of caught that in the preview clip.  I have to say if that's the case it makes no sense at all to me.

Rico,

During the preview, Cally and Chief are discussing the "ruling class" and Cally mentions she read something by Baltar and then hands him a manuscript looking thing with Baltars face on it.

Granted there is always more to it than what you see.

I am gonna watch because I admit, all my complaining is basically conjecture based on a 45 sec preview clip but a preview should make you want to watch the show and I have to admit this one had the complete opposite effect.

Just seems so weird to me since the Chief really despises Baltar.

Quote from: Rico on February 22, 2007, 08:41:42 AM
Just seems so weird to me since the Chief really despises Baltar.

You can despise a man, but still respect what he says.  I know a lot of politicians I'd never want to meet in person but on some issues we are seeing eye-to-eye.

We'll find out tonight..... dundun duuuuuuuuun

Mr. O

I dont know if it is just me, but I have found the last three episodes rather slow, and boring. I Know they need to do character development, but did we really need a whole episode on Adamas wife, we get it, she was miserable, an alcoholic, and tookit out on her kids. Can we get to the trial already.

Quote from: iceman on February 25, 2007, 06:06:43 AM
I don't know if it is just me, but I have found the last three episodes rather slow, and boring. I Know they need to do character development, but did we really need a whole episode on Adamas wife, we get it, she was miserable, an alcoholic, and tookit out on her kids. Can we get to the trial already.

I've disliked two out of the three you mentioned. The last one was better. I think the writers were simply trying to tie up the loose ends of Adama's relationship with Lee's mom. It was mentioned in the first season and that's it. My feeling is that the writers are trying to pave the way for the Adama/Roslyn relationship by inserting the backstory involving his x-wife. His prior experience with women helps us know what kind of husband he has been. We just see him as a leader, a father, and a friend. I think the backstory is a writer's tool to develop him into a potential "love interest" for Roslyn.

I personally don't think they took that too far, but I don't want to see it again in another episodeâ€"once was enough. I want to see them fight the Cylons now, I'm getting tired of the soap opera crud.

My prediction is that they're going to drag the trial out until the end of the season. And then they make you wait for the results until NEXT season. Before too long, you'll be tired of the trial too.

It was nice to have another episode with the Chief this week. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. I had some reservations last week after seeing the preview, but I think it was handled very well. I found myself not caring much for Roslyn at the start of the episode, and that she had actually became a bit of a dictator in that she felt people should do what they are told to. I found myself disliking Adama a bit in this episode, for much the same reasons.

There were a few things that bugged me about this episode as well. I felt we were missing a lot of Baltar and his propanda. To hear that he was writing a book, and that it was distributed throughout the fleet, I felt there could have been more time spent on that. I feel maybe some of the previous episodes they could have touched upon it, and it would have helped the story in this episode. As well him having a lawyer, seems rather significant to be just mentioned. I kept on thinking that I missed an episode. As well I felt there was a lot more story in this episode, so they must have cut a bunch out, felt like they had enough for a two parter. I understand where this is not a really flashy episode for two parts, but still felt we were missing a bunch. As well I found the episode to be reminiscent of Star Trek episodes, where they would get to a certain point in the story, and then wrap everything up in 5 minutes.
This episode hit a bit home for me, as I feel similar at the place I work, since the company is large, and I work in a particular area, that is all I will ever get to do, no chance to do anything else. Nothing like the people on Galactica, but did see similarities in my working situation.

Okay here goes:

Baltar = Marx?  Hitler?

Yeah I can kind understand this because he's a smart man.  He knows that if he doesn't do SOMEthing he's going out an airlock.  He's already one the popular vote once by telling people what they want to hear, it makes sense that his self-re-invention would follow that model.  Tell them what they want to hear about how bad it is out here in space and they'll like me enough to keep me alive.

Very tragic when you think that he is reduced to playing games to live a few more weeks.

The Strike/ Mutiny

I missed something when the deck crew refused to work on "non critical missions".  Was there a Fleet wide work stoppage or just the refinery and Galactica?  If it was just the two ships then the Cheif *did* cross the line.  If it's a matter of the entire fleet shutting down, then I can *kinda* see every "grunt" out there thinking it made sense to stop until someone in authority listened.

Rosalin as Dictator

She's slipping.  "Too bad" isn't good enough and what we have is the inherenty failings of communism coming up.  What do we do with all these people classically trained as lawyers, bankers, and civil engineers, or poets and actors when there's a real need for people to do "dirty work".  And how do you deal with the resentment of "I'm stuck doing my grunt job because no one else will replacement me"?

The fleet is surviving but it's become a sad state of survival.  I'm surprised that they haven't introduced the idea of suicides in the fleet.

I also think it's very telling that it took a mutiny to get the higher ups to stop and see what was going on.  The president and admiral had chances to deal with it sooner and better but didn't.  Big mistake.

The class division was also, ihmo, overplayed.  They made a point of showing the drinking water from nice crystal glasses and the shot to images of the guys 'working the line' where it was dirty and smelly.  The inclusion of the "good kid in the wrong place at the wrong time" really hit out and I was sure he was gonna die.

I think that this was another "binder episode" where they needed and episode so they went to the binder and pulled one out.  A "we need to deal with the way they're producing all the stuff" and wrote an episode to do that.  And we did establish that Tyrol still doesn't like Baltar...

Mr. O

Quote from: MrOsterman on February 26, 2007, 08:56:17 AM
Okay here goes:

Baltar = Marx?  Hitler?


The Strike/ Mutiny

I missed something when the deck crew refused to work on "non critical missions".  Was there a Fleet wide work stoppage or just the refinery and Galactica?

Rosalin as Dictator

She's slipping.  "Too bad" isn't good enough and what we have is the inherenty failings of communism coming up.  What do we do with all these people classically trained as lawyers, bankers, and civil engineers, or poets and actors when there's a real need for people to do "dirty work".  And how do you deal with the resentment of "I'm stuck doing my grunt job because no one else will replacement me"?


The class division was also, ihmo, overplayed.  They made a point of showing the drinking water from nice crystal glasses and the shot to images of the guys 'working the line' where it was dirty and smelly. 
I think that this was another "binder episode"...
Mr. O

I agree with almost everything you've said Mr. O. The situation in the fleet does seem to be slipping towards something other than democracy. Right now its Communist, but Baltar is Socialist.

Baltar's book stunk of "Mein Kampf". It was way too obvious a parallel.  Did it have to be that similar? I felt like they were attempting to spoon feed that comparion to me.

OK, Hitler appealed to a wide variety of people by combining an effective and carefully rehearsed speaking style with what looked like absolute sincerity and determination...I saw that back when Baltar was running for president.  Hitler headed up a gang of thugs that caused all sorts of trouble before he became a dictator. Eventually he was thrown in jail for taking hostages during the Beer Hall putsch (revolt). While he was in jail he wrote Mein Kampf (or My Struggle). Does that title sound like Baltar's book?

I think Baltar and Hitler can be compaired by their persuasiveness but nothing else. Take Baltar's cooperation with the Cylons...If Hitler was still around and cooperating, with the Russians during their occupation of Eastern Germany after WWII, I seriously doubt that the German people would think of him as any sort of hero.

Your right, Roslyn is leaning towards the dictator role. But no one seems to mind because she has a nice smile.

Tyrol seemed to see both sides of the story in this episode. He understood Adama's point about survival and he understood the "knuckle draggers" point. I don't think this episode has made me think of him any differently. He's still a dependable guy.

Over all this episode wasn't that great, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Now...if they WOULD JUST GET ON WITH THE REST OF THE DARN STORY!!!!! I'm tired of the fillers.

Just finished watching the new episode.. I thought it was a good story. I could see the Chief doing what he did.. he is a man of the working class. I'm so happy they mentioned that they are going to start there search for Earth again. These past four or five episodes seemed like they lost focus of the series. They have mostly been character building/stand alone episodes...Don't get me wrong I enjoyed all the episodes.. in fact I think I enjoyed them more then most of you but the overall story of Galactica is to find Earth and they haven't done that all season. I'm starting to miss the Cylons..

I really liked the episode, though it was very talky and I can see the audience clamoring for more action after the last few episodes.  A lot of the points covered were things I'd wondered about their everyday lives. 

It still seems to me that Helo and Sharon have nicer quarters than the Chief and Callie, and you'd think that would bother them.  After all, both the chief and Callie are more mission-critical than Helo.  (Heck, Helo's lucky that Laura hasn't sent him out an airlock yet.)  And Sharon's a toaster who should probably still be in the brig.

I kept waiting for Tyrol to bring up how Adama and Roslyn live fairly luxurious lives compared to everyone else.  Especially where it looked like Adama was drinking wine at the same moment that Roslyn was saying how it's bad everywhere in the fleet.

I'm going to listen to RDM's podcast today and see what nuggets I can pick up.

wow.  My son Andrew and I just sat there when the episode was done.  wow.

Any speculation?

Here's my quick from the hip:

Starbuck is a central character and one we, as viewers, care a great deal about.  If she is a) Dead or b) a Cylon that will substantially change the dynamic of the show and possibly turn a great deal of fans off to it.  I think it's a dangerous move on the part of the writers to risk killing her off.

My working theory, though, is that she is a replacement model Cylon to replace the D'Anna line when it was boxed.  But again, Cylon!Starbuck is going to have to work to win us back over otherwise the show is bust.

Joss Whedon closed the door on any hope of Firefly coming back.  I think the guys at BSG could make the same "mistake".

Otherwise I am stunned to near silence.

Mr. O

Listen up...its the only time I'll say it:
I was wr...wr...wro...wron...wrong.  :D

Starbuck probably is a Cylon. She's dead. Or is she? I don't think she is. It would be stupid to kill her off the show. Though the writers have done other things that I thought were not so smart. Yet, if the actress had to leave the show then they might just leave her character dead.

Here's another theory:
She was removed from the ship before it blew up. Some mystical force? Leobon? Who knows. But the "mystic" said Leobon was "coming for her". I don't think she was simply referring to Starbuck's discussion with him in the vision she had.
If she did die then the whole "you have a destiny" sub plot would be a "dead end",  pardon the pun. I don't think this is the last we've seen of Starbuck.

I liked this episode. I thought it was better than some of the others.   :thumbsup

well we did see her hand on the ejection lever... and if I wasn't mistaken.... Apollo saw the Cylon too???  I don't know, it got all confusing toward the end.


Maybe the Cylons have abducted her? :cylon

I wonder if they're setting us up for a reveal into the mystical nature of their religion.  Starbuck is going to become a Christ/Mosses like character.  Dead to them all until she "returns" to lead them to a promised land?

If anything the idea of being "saved" from the explosion by a "higher power" makes the most sense if you ask me.  I'm very opposed to Cylon!Starbuck on the principle that we already have Athena playing the role of the "good" Cylon, and to have two of them would be very contrived.  We also have our "I wish I was a Cylon Oh Ah" in Baltar, and we have the "I'm a Cylon and I'm proud but I'm going to be nice" in Six.

That leads me to think that:

a)  Starbuck is GONE and will be back only in flashbacks.
b)  Starbuck was rescued at the last moment by someone or something be it the cylons or "god".
c)  Starbuck is a cylon and the show's just running out of ideas.

If you toss out C, and assume that they learned from Msr. Whedon's mistakes, that leaves B.

Mr. O

First I would like to defend Joss Whedon.. I don't think he "Joss Whedon closed the door on any hope of Firefly coming back." There are many more stories with Firefly and it's crew. They are doing novels and comic books so he didn't close any doors or make any mistakes (in my opinion).

Now to BSG.. just finished watching it and it was awesome. I think Starbuck is dead.. or at least dead in what we think of death. But I don't think the charcter is gone.  Here is a snippet that I posted in the BSG spolier thread. http://www.treksf.com/forums/index.php?topic=1400.0

In an exclusive interview, executive producers David Eick and Ron Moore say that a “profound” event involving Starbuck does occur a pivotal Season 3 episode called “Maelstrom” that is scheduled to air March 4. In fact, Moore says it “will be one of the most surprising things that’s happened in the history of the show so far.”

What happens to Thrace “will jump out and grab you,” Moore says.

The producers confirmed what the actress who plays Starbuck said in a recent interview -- that as of that March 4 episode, she had completed her work on the show’s third season, even though three more episodes air after “Maelstrom.”

So the actress finished her work on the season early and something major and surprising happens in the last episode that Sackhoff filmed. But Eick and Moore don’t want to use the word “death” when describing what happens to Starbuck in “Maelstrom.”

“I think people will have to watch that episode and judge for themselves what happens,” Moore says. “I can say that Galactica will suffer a shocking loss in that episode and Kara is a key member of the crew.”

Just to add fuel to the fire of “Galactica” bloggers, Moore adds that after the March 4 episode airs, the name of a major cast member will disappear from the show’s opening credits. They won’t say whether Sackhoff’s name is the one that goes missing. But they do make clear that what happens to Starbuck points the way to a major shift in the show’s direction.

“It’s a fundamental and permanent change in the makeup of the show’s cast and of the show itself and how the show operates and what the show is about. It’s a very dramatic change of direction,” Moore says.

“What we’re doing with Kara Thrace is profound and is major, and yet it doesn’t necessarily translate as simply as you might think,” Eick says.

That makes sense when you consider that in the world of “Battlestar Galactica,” the Cylon characters, who are locked in an epic battle with the humans, are able to die and be reborn, or “downloaded,” into new bodies.

Of course, Moore and Eick won’t say whether Thrace is a Cylon and whether she gets downloaded. They also won’t say if Gaius Baltar, a canny survivor who’s spent time with both the Galactica crew and with the Cylons, is in fact a Cylon. 

So I guess we will have to wait and see what happens with the new season starts next year.

Well - I just have to say after just watching this last show ---- who was saying Starbuck was a Cylon??  Hmmm???

Yep - I did.  BUT....and I mean a BIG BUT........  I think I was wrong.  And here's why.

Mainly this - it's way too easy an answer.  Ron Moore I don't think would of done all the mystical mumbo-jumbo he has been doing with Starbuck to just have her show up as another toaster.

So, where does that leave us.  She has to be something else.  Maybe one of the final five.  Which yes, I guess are cylons - but I think they are much more.

It was a very interesting episode.  I suppose it is possible she is really gone and dead but I kind of doubt it.  Ron likes Katee and Starbuck too much to do that I think.  Oh, I'm not really buying she ejected or something.  That planet I don't think could support life.  Plus it makes them not even looking for her kind of stupid.

Definitely a big shake up for the show.  Can't wait to see how it all plays out.   :cylon

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Yeah, she's not a cylon. Even the Leoban in her dreams said he wasn't a cylon, just a manifestation. If you follow along with allof the religous symbolism which Ron Moore has weaved through Galactica, Kara's character is going to be their Saviour, for both humans and cylons. The next episode or 2 will deal with Baltar's trial and then they we will see Starbuck's role in this brought back for the season finale. Perhaps the Final Five aren'y cylons at all, but god's of the colonists which only the cylons during resurection can glimpse? It would help explain their quest for a one true God.

I really like this theory.. I got it from another group I belong too..

"Yea... Kara's is dead but she had to so she could become an Ancient/Ascended Being (called Seraphs in the Original BSG Universe). This is apparently what happened to Starbuck in BSG 1980 and explains the "Everything that happened once, will happen again"

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ship_of_Lights
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Seraphs_% 28Battlestar_ Galactica% 29

I think I have to agree with that one, I don't think that they would kill off a main character like that and not have plains, to bring them back in some way. I just hope they don't try to bring her back as a cylon. I would hate that because she is like one of my favorite characters on the show.

After listening to RDM's podcast, I'm not sure if we'll ever see Kara again, in any form.  The decision to kill her off seemed so last-minute that I don't see how it fits into any pre-conceived bigger story.

I heard that Sackhoff is in a pilot for next season and doesn't even think she'll be available for future episodes.

I hope it's all a big disinformation campaign.  Otherwise, there's no payoff for her story, and that'd be sad.

In Ron Moore's podcast, at the very end, his wife even said not to worry Starbuck fans and Ron said that there is more to the story! How is that not she's coming back?! Listen again...
She also may be half cylon as we never do see her father and her mother's love/loathing of her could be explained by that.

I'm positive she will be back - in one form or another.

Bryan, I was referring to the decision to kill her off, because it served the interests of the episode, when that was not the original vision of the script (and presumably any long-range plans for the character).  If you'll recall, RDM said that in earlier drafts Kara turned back and did not die.

I agree that her being a "Hylon" is a possibility, so, as I said, I hope the stuff about Sackhoff's availability is a ruse.

She could be in the movie, which might take place in a different timeframe.  That'd make the Moores' comment true without bringing her back to life.

They will bring back this story line for the season finbale in 2 episodes. Ron Moore would not just dump one of the most popular characters of his series without every intention of having her back before the end of the season.

I listened to Ron Moore's podcast today. He made some interesting comments regarding the last episode. The best one was about the model ship that Adama destroyed. I thought it was a great scene, but apparently it was not scripted. Edward James Olmos was emotional and maybe a little upset about killing off Kati's character. He improvised because he felt it was the reaction Adama should have...I agree with him. Unfortunately that ship was a museum quality piece worth thousands of dollars that the show was renting. Ron said, luckily the piece was insured...he loved the scene.

I also heard some other theories about Starbuck's "death". The Galactic Watercooler podcast offered some of the same ones we all came up with here...but there was one I haven't heard yet:
Starbuck is a Hylon (or Hybrid Cylon) like Helo and Sharron's baby. They mentioned the "nightmares" the baby and Starbuck both had as a possible connection.

Quote from: Bryancd on March 06, 2007, 06:18:16 PM
They will bring back this story line for the season finbale in 2 episodes. Ron Moore would not just dump one of the most popular characters of his series without every intention of having her back before the end of the season.

Yeah, I certainly hope so.  Especially after listening to all his podcasts, you can see that Moore's a craftsman who understands about setting up a story and paying it off.  To do nothing further with this storyline would be an incredible failure, the first real one of the series, in my opinion.

I will say that I don't know that Moore cares terribly about a character's popularity.  I think he'd off both Adamas if it suited the needs of the show dramatically.   (Not that Sci-Fi would let him. :))

I think the trial will be the cliffhanger, not Kara's story.

I read an interview with RDM and Eick  (I think) a few weeks ago where they explicitly stated that Sackhoff doesn't appear in the final three episodes.

However, I'm too cynical to believe any of it.  We'll see.

Quote from: Jen on March 06, 2007, 07:25:02 PM
I also heard some other theories about Starbuck's "death". The Galactic Watercooler podcast offered some of the same ones we all came up with here...but there was one I haven't heard yet:
Starbuck is a Hylon (or Hybrid Cylon) like Helo and Sharron's baby. They mentioned the "nightmares" the baby and Starbuck both had as a possible connection.

They also put forth the theory that Kara ejected and might have survived somehow.  I think that'd be pretty weak.  And it'd make Lee look bad.

Quote from: Jen on March 06, 2007, 07:25:02 PM
Edward James Olmos was emotional and maybe a little upset about killing off Kati's character. He improvised because he felt it was the reaction Adama should have...I agree with him. Unfortunately that ship was a museum quality piece worth thousands of dollars that the show was renting. Ron said, luckily the piece was insured...he loved the scene.

Oh that had to be an interesting meeting after the show.

Mr. O

What if they don't come back to that story line this year and then put us through another cliffhanger with the trial. Which could happen if the rumors are true about sackoff to see if her new show works out. that way they know which way to go with that story line.

I agree with Cpt Serwin.. I don't think we will see her again and will have to wait till next year when it comes back for the fourth season. I don't think they will drop the storyline.. I just think they are going to make us wait.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on March 06, 2007, 10:40:38 AM
I really like this theory.. I got it from another group I belong too..

"Yea... Kara's is dead but she had to so she could become an Ancient/Ascended Being (called Seraphs in the Original BSG Universe). This is apparently what happened to Starbuck in BSG 1980 and explains the "Everything that happened once, will happen again"

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ship_of_Lights
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Seraphs_% 28Battlestar_ Galactica% 29

Arrrrrr I was away for a week on holidays, what a week to pick. I had watched this episode well on vacation, and the Starbuck death did not really sink in much. I my solitude for the week (no internet ;)) I also thought of this theory that Kenny Mentioned. I would like to see some more elements of the original tied into the current series.

I havent listened to RDM podcast yet, but Hopefully like Pickard is saying, that he is just trying to throw people off with the Sackoff rumours. I think the show would be really missing something without her Character.

The March 18th episode was Fantastic, and left me with a lot to think about. Next weeks episode looks like it is going to be great, and the 10 month wait afterward is going to feel real long.

Some thoughts

Again, I did not care for Admiral Adama in this episode. His actions in the court room well Lee was questioning Roslyn were out of place for his role as a judge on a tribunal. Clearly he has his mind made up on Baltar, and is not partial. His intimidation of Lee when Lee handed over his rank also was out of line. I found this surprising, as I thought he would be the judge on the tibunal who would have been on the side of impartiality.

Rosylns revelation that the cancer has returned, and that she is again having visions. Looks like next week, Hara will come into the picture again in regards to Roslyns treatment. After what she did to Hara, Sharon/Helo probably will not be interested in helping.

The music that Tigh, Tori and Anders hear, definitely it having an effect on them. I was originally thinking it could be a link to losses that Anders and Tigh have had (Ellen Tigh/Starbuck), but not sure how Tori plays in this. Very interested to find out what it is about.

Cylons following the fleet. I think that the Galactica is being lead into a trap, they will be seperated from the Tylium ship, and stuck with out being able to jump. If what Tigh indicated at the end of the Episode, that it was in the ship, I understand to be that the cylons are tracking the Galactica. At the end of the Episode, the Scene between Helo and Gaeta I found to be interesting. I am getting the feeling that one of them might sell the fleet out. Helos words seemed onimous, and Gaeta has some ties with the cylons from his time he spent in Baltars administration. I dont think either are cylons, but might be working for the cylons for their own reason. Helo seemed very interested in the plan, and Gaeta seemed to be the one devising the plan. I think the tylium ship is a trick for them to think that is the ship being tracked, and to have them split it from the rest of the fleet.

Romo Lampkin, I really like this character. I hope that after this season, that he will appear again in the future. I think he is a good balance against the Military and Administration. They seem to come off with no accountability to the fleet, and Romo seems like he would fit the role as an unofficial representative of the fleet. Plus to he is a greasy guy, and never sure what his angle is. If he appeared now and then like Tom Zarek, I think that would be good. Tom Zarek is good, but Lampkin doesnt have quite the hardedge that zarek does.

wow.  BSG was really good last night.  It was back like it was supposed to be.  Very good.

How long are we going to wait for the next season?

DOH i forgot to watch!

I really liked last night's episode too.  I'm not getting why the Admiral is being so hard on Lee - his son.  He really can't afford to lose Lee as CAG and as a pilot.  The Admiral is being pretty dumb and blind here.  He should be smarter than all that.  I really liked Lee/Apollo in this episode.  He has principles and sticks by them.  I agree, the Cylons are leading them all into one big trap again.  Frakking toasters!   :cylon

I agree with Jeff and Rico. I too failed to grasp why Admiral Adama would go from being proud of his son to calling him a liar and accepting his resignation. He offered him the law books afterall. What the frak?  That was way off kilter from what we know about Adama Sr. What are the writers smoking? They are writing duel personalities for several characters on this show.

That said, I still liked the episode. I was not expecting the curve balls they tossed at us; IE the cancer and poor Ti's admission before the court. They were nice plot twists.

Lee Adama continues to irritate me. What a wimp...does he have a mind of his own? It seems he only does what others suggest.  I think he and daddy need to visit Counselor Troi.

I liked the whole "mysterious music" scenario. Interesting stuff. At first I thought the radio was picking up radio waves from Earth.

Some have offered that Ty, Tori and Anders are Cylons. I think its possible that Tori is a Cylon and that Ty and Anders are some how picking up transmissions that she's unwittingly sending back to the Cylon Fleet.  Ty remains the same old drunk and Anders is still sad Anders, the only one who's different as far as personalities go is Tori. She's the key to this somehow.

The other possibility is that Anders and Ty were implanted when they were imprisoned by the Cylons. They could be the "homing devices" and Tori is a Cylon who is still unaware of the fact she's a Toaster.

Well that's my two cents.

Ok so...what happened in the episode?

I don't think Adama's overreacting or acting out of character.

Lee is defending the man responsible, in some measure, for the destruction of the human race.  That'd probably tick off any parent.

Obviously, he made a mistake in assuming Lee gave Baltar's defense the info on Ellen, but people on this show always make mistakes.  That's not anything new from the writers.

As to Adama's behaviour as a judge, that seems both inappropriate, and entirely in character.  The only bad writing here is that we're supposed to believe that Adama could have been placed on the tribunal, when he cannot possibly be impartial.

Yeah for sure my mom would not like me defending a humanity destroyer.

Quote from: pickard on March 19, 2007, 06:05:21 PM
I don't think Adama's overreacting or acting out of character.

Lee is defending the man responsible, in some measure, for the destruction of the human race.  That'd probably tick off any parent.

Obviously, he made a mistake in assuming Lee gave Baltar's defense the info on Ellen, but people on this show always make mistakes.  That's not anything new from the writers.

As to Adama's behaviour as a judge, that seems both inappropriate, and entirely in character.  The only bad writing here is that we're supposed to believe that Adama could have been placed on the tribunal, when he cannot possibly be impartial.

I don't know...I've been shown for the past two years that Admiral Adama loves his son and is proud of him. He has had trouble telling his son that until recently, when they had some sort of relationshiop "break through". Now I'm supposed to believe that Admiral Adama can't believe a word his son says? Lee is an idiot but BSG has never shown him to be a liar. His father should know him better than that.

Don't forget, Admiral Adama asked Lee to do this. He shouldn't be shocked when his son attempts to do the job his dad asked him to do. Lee is supposed to be all about duty...well, up until this last episode when he resigned because Adama questioned his integrety. I guess Admiral Adama never really wanted Lee to do a good job. Maybe he just wanted Lee to sabatoge the defense?

Quote from: Jen on March 19, 2007, 07:38:36 PM
Don't forget, Admiral Adama asked Lee to do this.

Adama never asked Lee to defend Baltar.  He was just supposed to work to set up the system. 
Afterwards, he assigned Lee to be security for Baltar's defense.  That's a long way from assigning him as co-counsel.  I think the admiral was clear about that in the previous episode.

I love the new Galactica but I do feel the writers have made some bad moves recently.  One of the biggest is this Lee vs. the Admiral thing.  I have two teenage sons.  To call one of them a liar just based on very little info is something I would never do.  That's a very big step.  I don't think the Admiral had nearly enough to justify that.

Yeah - they all hate Baltar.  No one in the fleet really thinks differently.  So basically no one is going to be in court without some preconceived notion.  I think the trial is all kind of a joke.  I mean the episode earlier in the season they were killing people that slightly went along with the Cylons.  Now you have Baltar who everyone knows is a traitor.  Why they just didn't execute him is beyond me.  This isn't peace time.  They are at war.

Anyway, still really enjoy the show.  And if the people of the fleet don't start to frakking work together and stop being babies the Cylons are going to wipe them all out.   :cylon

Agreed.  The "liar" part was too far.  But he just found out that his best friend executed his own wife, so he wasn't in the best mood, I imagine.

Quote from: Rico on March 20, 2007, 05:03:21 AM
And if the people of the fleet don't start to frakking work together and stop being babies the Cylons are going to wipe them all out.   :cylon

Didn't Cally say something to that effect?

I'm wondering if they're deep enough to give us the challenge of what to do if several members of the fleet (Tigh, Tori, Anders) are all implanted with some kind of Cylon Homing beacon.  Is Adama willing to airlock his "brother" for the good of the fleet?

I actually could handle the Adama Vs Adama scrap but that was becuase I think it's showing the ammount of damage this trial is doing.  It's polarizing in the extreme.  We all know that Baltar sold out the Human race on Caprica.  We all know that he was a bit too compliant with the Cylons on New Caprica.  We all know that, really, he was willing to aid the Cylons when he was their guest.  We all know that he could have refused to work with them at any time and while it may have cost him his life, it might have saved more.

But we also all know he's probably going to get off because the prosecutor cannot prove intent, nor can she prove he did much of the direct actions he was appart of.  And I think both Adama's know it.

But Lee is willing to sell it all to be sure he gets "the best" trial, and Bill is dealing with the fact that his son is willing to attack his friend to "make the case".

I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship.

Mr. O

Sorry, for the leader of the military for the last fleet of the human race Admiral Adama is acting like an ass.  I just had to say it that way.  This guy should be better than that.  He needs to be better than that.  I'm starting to root for the Cylons a bit.  But, that might be Ron Moore's overall intention.

Well I finally was able to watch the new episode. I don't understand why everyone is getting on Admiral Adama's case. I totally agree with Mr. O "I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship." I didn't find it out of character at all. I'm very much disliking Lee right now. He has turned against his friends and family. I'm so happy that De left him.

This is a time of war, Baltar is guilty, we all know he is. He is not only guilty of the atrocities on New Caprica but he is actually guilty of the destruction of the original colonies. He gave access to Six to take down there defenses. He was only thinking with his "manhood" and not his brain. I feel no pity for Baltar.. he should be dropped out an airlock.

As for Tigh, Tori, and Anders hearing the music I do think they are part of the final five cylons. I think the five are at the nebula and as they get closer they are hearing the music more and more.

Quote from: Rico on March 20, 2007, 07:54:44 AM
Sorry, for the leader of the military for the last fleet of the human race Admiral Adama is acting like an ass.  I just had to say it that way.  This guy should be better than that.  He needs to be better than that.  I'm starting to root for the Cylons a bit.  But, that might be Ron Moore's overall intention.

Woot!

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on March 20, 2007, 09:05:08 AM
Well I finally was able to watch the new episode. I don't understand why everyone is getting on Admiral Adama's case. I totally agree with Mr. O "I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship." I didn't find it out of character at all. I'm very much disliking Lee right now. He has turned against his friends and family. I'm so happy that De left him.

This is a time of war, Baltar is guilty, we all know he is. He is not only guilty of the atrocities on New Caprica but he is actually guilty of the destruction of the original colonies. He gave access to Six to take down there defenses. He was only thinking with his "manhood" and not his brain. I feel no pity for Baltar.. he should be dropped out an airlock.

As for Tigh, Tori, and Anders hearing the music I do think they are part of the final five cylons. I think the five are at the nebula and as they get closer they are hearing the music more and more.

Hi Kenny, I agree with everything except your opinion of Admiral Adama. I just think it was too abrupt, and calling someone a liar is like spitting in their face where I'm from. Maybe that's why I'm so shocked that someone I thought was so much like my own father, would call his child that. Even if Lee is a screw up and an idiot...he's never been a liar.  It was a very hateful remark.

I think the issue the writers are trying to spell out for us is that Roslyn and Admiral Adama's relationship is coming between father and son. But its too abrupt in my opinion and comes off as out of character. He has lost a son, and a woman he thought of as a daughter...I don't believe the "father of the fleet" would push the only son he has left away from him.

Quote from: pickard on March 20, 2007, 04:43:53 AM

Quote from: Jen on March 19, 2007, 07:38:36 PM
Don't forget, Admiral Adama asked Lee to do this.

Adama never asked Lee to defend Baltar.  He was just supposed to work to set up the system. 
Afterwards, he assigned Lee to be security for Baltar's defense.  That's a long way from assigning him as co-counsel.  I think the admiral was clear about that in the previous episode.

I stand corrected...I can admit it...it was hard...but I can do it.  ;)

Quote from: Jen on March 20, 2007, 06:21:08 PM

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on March 20, 2007, 09:05:08 AM
Well I finally was able to watch the new episode. I don't understand why everyone is getting on Admiral Adama's case. I totally agree with Mr. O "I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship." I didn't find it out of character at all. I'm very much disliking Lee right now. He has turned against his friends and family. I'm so happy that De left him.

Hi Kenny, I agree with everything except your opinion of Admiral Adama. I just think it was too abrupt, and calling someone a liar is like spitting in their face where I'm from. Maybe that's why I'm so shocked that someone I thought was so much like my own father, would call his child that. Even if Lee is a screw up and an idiot...he's never been a liar.  It was a very hateful remark.

I don't see the whole thing with Adama + Rosalin vs Lee thing.  I see it strictly as a "how can you defend Baltar?" from Bill to Lee.  Lee has decided that the most important thing to him is that "the System works as it's designed".  That means that you go up and you embarass, you discredit, you say what ever you have to (within the rule of law) to ensure that the "jury" rules in your favor.

Bill does not have the same love of the system that Lee does becuase he knows how slippery Baltar is, and how bad it is for the fleet either way it works out.  If he's found innocent there's chaos.  If he's found guilty there's chaos.  It's a lose^2 situation.

We can agree to disagree on the Lee/Bill falling out.  I wonder how I'd react if my son declared that he was going to defend a 9/11 terrorist, or a child molestor, etc etc.  Maybe calling Lee a "liar" was over the top.  It's still a rough spot to be in, having your child stand with someone who has sold out the rest of his race time and time again.

Mr. O

The thing that still gets me about this is both the Admiral and Roslyn asked Lee to help on this.  Maybe not to the degree he is helping now, but they pretty much put him into this situation.  And he is doing the best he can.  He is stuck between a rock and a hard place, I think.

After listening to Ron Moore's commentary about this episode I felt a bit better.  He says he is trying to show a messed up relationship - and Lee and his father certainly have that.  But, I still think they both should figure out by now that their personal feelings are messing up the jobs that they do.  And that's a big mistake.  Lee should be CAG - he needs to be CAG.  I just hope we don't see a return to "fat Apollo!"  ;)

I thought that scene played out very well. Rather than dwell on the emotional logistics of how these two arrived at this point, I felt very engaged by their mutual anger towards eachother. Adama's "liar" commnet was directed at Lee when Lee denied knowing anything about Tigh's wife's death. Adama assumed Lee knew and that's why he directed the lawyer to go after Tigh on the stand and to drag that up.
This scene also does a great job setting up the Lee as co-counsul in a suit later when he questions Rosalyn and really puts the screws to her. I don't think iether characetr is acting "out" of character at all. Adama is clearly troubled by the direction the trail is heading and the toll it is taking on the people he loves, Lee, Rosalyn, Tigh. Lee has always been conflicted as to what his role is under his fathers command and this seems like a logical direction he would take to try and establish himself and his own sense of right and wrong. A lot of previous episodes have delt directly with this internal struggle Lee has.

Quote from: Bryancd on March 21, 2007, 09:23:57 AM
A lot of previous episodes have delt directly with this internal struggle Lee has.

Ya know... wasn't Lee all pissed off about having to fly "his fathers" viper for some official thing?  I'm trying to remember the miniseries but I seem to strongly remember that he was not happy at all throughout the entire miniseries and I wonder how much of those emotions are lingering.

Mr. O

Quote from: MrOsterman on March 21, 2007, 11:21:23 AM

Quote from: Bryancd on March 21, 2007, 09:23:57 AM
A lot of previous episodes have delt directly with this internal struggle Lee has.

Ya know... wasn't Lee all pissed off about having to fly "his fathers" viper for some official thing?  I'm trying to remember the miniseries but I seem to strongly remember that he was not happy at all throughout the entire miniseries and I wonder how much of those emotions are lingering.

Mr. O

I think its obvious that no one here is going to be persuaded by the others' posts. If you think it was a logical progression in the story line, then you'll most likely continue to believe that. To each his own, right? I think its great that we can debate something as trivial as a TV show here and still be cordial to one another. Alot of other forums would flame each other.

As to the issue with Lee not wanting to fly Bill's Viper; I think that was in the first season...they have come a long way in their relationship since then. 

Angela and I were talking about this debate this morning. She brought up a good point. Bill told Ty that he has never been embarrassed by him, and I think he should have said that. Ty needs a good friend right now. Its hard to understand how the same Bill Adama could be so vicious to his son.  Lee wasn't actively defending Baltar when his dad flew off the hammer...he was simply keeping an eye on he and his lawyer. Bill assumed that Lee spilled the beans. My dad always said that "assuming makes an ass out of u and me." Words to live by. I just don't see why Bill would be so venomous to his son at this point...Now, if he had taken this position after Lee cross examined Roslyn that would be a little more understandable. Shoot I wanted to take Lee apart after that. :hate

That's why this show is so good, makes you think, makes you angry, makes us all opinionated. I like the story line and I think in the last podcast, it's very clear where Ron Moore's head is at.

Quote from: Rico on March 21, 2007, 08:15:36 AMI just hope we don't see a return to "fat Apollo!"  ;)

(http://www.danmartin.net/CIVIL_WAR_APOLLO.jpg)

Quote from: Bryancd on March 21, 2007, 05:21:34 PM
That's why this show is so good, makes you think, makes you angry, makes us all opinionated. I like the story line and I think in the last podcast, it's very clear where Ron Moore's head is at.

Of particular note in most web discussions is not so much the "agree with me dangit!" as it's "Yeah but I could be right too!" or "Please acknoweldge that my case has merit".

I think a lot of us go round and round not out of a need to convince anyone but just to feel like no one's calling us balmy for thinking the way we do.

As for Adama v Adama:

Putting myself in the Admiral's Seat, he watches his son lean over, whisper something to Lampkin and then Lampkin gets up and pulls out of Tigh the fact that he (Tigh) killed his (Tigh's) wife.

Then Lee comes in and starts asking about the President and denies that he told Lampkin about what Tigh had done.

While it I will grant it was strong, I can understand how he got there with the information infront of him.

You may disagree, but if I had to pick a side, I'm with Bill.

Of course how can you go against the guy who turned around a bunch of high school rejects and taught them enough to all pass the AP Calculus exam?

Mr. O

It's nice we can have a good discussion about this without anyone feeling they aren't entitled to voice their own views.  That's why it's such a great group here on this forum.

Galactica does get me emotional, more than some shows and like Bryan said that's a good thing.  Can't wait to see how the season finishes up!

THIS IS AWESOME NEWS!!!

SCI FI Boosts Battlestar Order

SCI FI Channel has increased its episode order for the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica to 22 from the original 13, including a special two-hour extended episode that will air during the fourth quarter of this year and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter. SCI FI made the announcement at its upfront press event in New York on March 21.

Battlestar Galactica will air its season-three finale on March 25 in its regular Sunday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot. Production will begin on the new season in May, with an eye to an early 2008 premiere.

That's GREAT news!

Yes, Fantastic news

Wow I am blown away, just finished watching the finale.  Tyrol was foreshadowed all through the series, but Tigh was a total shock.  This last two part series was the best TV I can remember seeing ever.  Using All Along the Watchtower was an awesome addition, this sitar version was creepy and surreal, but I can't help thinking how much cooler the Bob Dylan version would have been if they had used it instead.  I can't believe we have to wait so long for the story to continue.  I haven't felt this much yearning for a continuation of a story since I was kid seeing Empire Strikes Back for the first time.

Wow is right.  What a show.  I too enjoyed the music.. that was way cool, it added a lot.

I don't like the idea of waiting so long for more.  But, .... "Patience Grasshopper" 

The trial was interesting.  Right out of "The Practice" 

The Cylon reveal.  Hmmmm.  I don't know how to feel about that.  Ty?  Come on now.  Let's all make RRRRRR's like a pirate.

Great show tonight.  wow.

YAY!!! :cheering I was right (I know I wasn't the only one who said this) about the people who heard the music being the final five cylons. Chief was a shock I didn't expect that. They kept saying the final five would be revealed tonight but we only got four. I kept waiting for the fifth one to show up when the four were standing there... guess they have to keep some secrets.. unless the reappearance of Starbuck makes her the fifth Cylon. I have to say that I wasn't too impressed with the first 45 minutes. It wasn't bad but it was just okay, I knew Baltar was going to get off. And I still don't like Lee. But the last fifteen minutes just after their jump.. WOW. Now we wait till next year.

STARBUK IS ALIVE OMG!!!!!!! Rico you are 100% correct she is leading them to earth..is it sencered cause i herd Frakk and once the edit was horrid (it said fufrakk) and whats with that song at one point it souned like Mr. Roboto so anyway what is the song?

First - loved the finale.  Second - I don't think they are Cylons.  Just because they are hearing weird music they are Cylons?  Nope - not buying it.  I might be in denial but it really doesn't make much sense.  Isn't interesting that the four that fought the most against the Cylons on New Caprica are now suppose to be Cylons?  So - I think either they were implanted or brainwashed or something.  But I'm not believing they are Cylons.

I also was SO HAPPY to see Starbuck!  I also don't think she is a Cylon either.  And it makes sense that she will lead them to Earth.  She got the arrow, she drew the picture, etc.  It adds up.

Loved it when Lee geared up and jumped back in his Viper.  Very cool.  I like him even more now after the trial.  He has principles and stands by them.  Right or wrong, you have to admire that.

All in all a great finale.  :)   :cylon

I am most definitely in Rico's corner as well.  I absolutely do not buy that those four are cylons....to me it just doesn't feel right.  If they are I hope there is some damn good writing next season to flesh out the hows and whys because right now I just don't see it.  I think they are desstined for something bigger but Cylons...no.

I liked some of the music but once the guy started to actually sing the song "All Along the Watchtower"....I think I let loose with an audible "UGHHHHH"...what a HORRIBLE take on that song...but this come from a fan of Jimi Hendrix's version.  The rest of the music was cool.  Also...how odd for the 4 to be hearing an earth song....a well known earth song at that.  There has to be more to that as well.

The final shot of the "extreme zoom out" then back in to earth was awesome.....The rest of the year is gonna be so hard.

Man was that a great episode or what?!  I am gonna have to watch it again to see if I missed anything....

Are we thinking that Starbuck is the fifth one or is it Rozlyn?  Remember that she had that semi-fainting thing going on right when they arrived and the power started failing.  My first thought was that if she was a Cylon, perhaps her systems were affected by the power dampening field for a while until she adapted to it.  And was there any special significance to where the other four ended up meeting?  Was that area better shielded from the dampening field?

I could see either Rozlyn or Starhuck being the fifth...

One other thought: are we SURE that the final five are actually Cylons?  It appears to me that the Cylons themselves do not know much about the final five.  Maybe the final five are a human-Cylon hybrid that can breed and do not share the physiology of the current Cylons.

What does everyone think?

Quote from: RickPeete on March 26, 2007, 09:28:03 AM

One other thought: are we SURE that the final five are actually Cylons?  It appears to me that the Cylons themselves do not know much about the final five.  Maybe the final five are a human-Cylon hybrid that can breed and do not share the physiology of the current Cylons.

What does everything think?

I'm going with you on this one:

I don't like the whole "we're all sleeper agents".  After all how often does a moment of clarity like that on the show turn out to be misunderstood?  It's not that simple.

Besides, how can Tigh be a toaster after that speech?!?  OMG that ROXXX!!!!111!!eleventy!!!!  :)

Mr. O

I sure hope Tigh and the rest aren't Cylons.  I think that would be a major cop out.  I'm not sure they are not something different - but I don't think they are simple skin-jobs.

Well that music was weird maybe it was in there heads to mess them and them only, And  Rozlyn is probebly a Cylon cause she was in the oprea house and...The President guy may be half-cylon.

I also have another theroy on the music...The other cylons herd it but they knew what it was so they ignored it

Read this if you want more info right from Ron Moore....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm

I still don't see the 4 as the same type of Cylons as all the rest.

Well, regardless of who is what, based on last nights finale, we are in for one heck of a ride.

Although, in the little blurb at the bottom of the article, the guy says "The producers had better make the decision to end "Galactica" in these final 22 hours, because given the show's low ratings, Sci Fi Channel isn't going to give them more episodes"

I wasnt aware it was getting low ratings. It amazes me that shows the quality of Deadwood and Rome are gone after 2 or 3 seasons, and BSG would get low ratings. What are people watching, reality crap and Idol?

Quote from: Rico on March 26, 2007, 03:24:38 PM
Read this if you want more info right from Ron Moore....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm

I still don't see the 4 as the same type of Cylons as all the rest.

Great article... so they are cylons... just "different" kind of cylons. It's going to be a long nine months.

Through out the epsiode I got the feeling that Sam, Tori, Chief and Tigh were part of the final 5. Actually when they showed Chief hearing the music, I came to that conclussion. I will admit from what Kenny was saying the previous episode, I was hoping that would not be the case. Since all 4 had fought so hard against the Cylons in the occupation, I could see them as being anti-cylons, cylon models that are against the other models.

As for Starbuck, as kenny spoke of in earlier posts, and I agree with him, I would really like to see her tied to the Beings of Light, like in the Original, and be the reason why she will be able to lead the fleet to earth. I am happy to see her back, though I never really believed she would be gone from the series all that long. I was expecting to see her in this finale, and happy about that.

The music was a nice touch, at first, I felt it was very out of place, and did not like it. After they showed the shot of earth, and Starbuck saying she had been to Earth, I found that the music was proper, as it helped tie the Galactica to Earth, and made both more relevant to each other.

The trial was great, and I expected Lee to make some big statment, which would get Baltar off. I am interested to see how the Baltar/Gaeta story plays out next year, as I think there is still much more between the two, as Gaeta lied, and showed no remorse about it.

I dont know why all these TV critics seem so eager to get these shows off the air. That article Rico posted, I found that the Critic was digging the grave for the series, I am not sure if he feels it is a feather in his cap to call the demise. I personally would love to see more season of Galactica, and not so eager to see it finished off for good. I can hardly wait for the DVD's for the season to comeout, and hopefully those will be strong, to convince the Studios that it is agreat show and should be kept going.

I still don't like the "different Cylon" idea.  I just don't see how Tigh can be a Cylon.  I mean he is like 60 years old?  I thought the timeline from the miniseries said this type of Cylon that looks human hasn't been around until recently.  Oh, well.  Many months to ponder it all.

Well Dean Stockwell's Cylon is older also...

I actually look forward to seeing how this all plays out.

The wife and I just watched the finale.  Wow!

Adama voting for acquittal was great.  I knew Baltar was getting off, but that was a nice touch.

Apollo jumping back into his viper, regardless of all that just went down, just felt so right.

I started giggling like a child when we saw a viper shadowing him.  You just knew it was Kara. 

Cylon or not, Tigh is THE MAN!!

10 months??  ARRGH!!

Yeah my simple theory is that these four are part of the final five and are cylons that opposed waging war againts the colonies and were eliminated somehow, but they were programmed to wake at the critial moment by the as yet unrevealed fifth cylon...BOB DYLAN.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on March 26, 2007, 05:03:29 PM
Well Dean Stockwell's Cylon is older also...

I actually look forward to seeing how this all plays out.

Yes - but he isn't based on a real person.  He was made to appear older to start with.  all the "skin jobs" as they are called are originals made a certain way, age, body type, etc.  Adama has known Tigh for decades.  He can't be like the the "normal skin jobs."  I’m really starting to think that these new “Cylon” types (Tigh and the others) are going to become leaders and control the rest of the Cylon race/fleet. The other models have been afraid of the final five, so if these are part of the five then they should have some influence. I just don’t get how Tigh could really be any type of Cylon due to his age and the back story Ron Moore setup from the miniseries on. I think Moore is going to be doing some “Retcon” (retroactive continuity) as they say in the comic world during season 4 to fix things.

Quote from: Kirk-Fu on March 26, 2007, 03:51:32 PM

I wasnt aware it was getting low ratings. It amazes me that shows the quality of Deadwood and Rome are gone after 2 or 3 seasons, and BSG would get low ratings. What are people watching, reality crap and Idol?

Unfortunately...yes.  Everyone has their own tastes but some of the crap that gets ratings nowadays is unbelievable.

I don't think Moore would've chosen Tigh to be a cylon if he didn't know how to make it work without a retcon. 

Quote from: pickard on March 27, 2007, 09:29:55 AM
I don't think Moore would've chosen Tigh to be a cylon if he didn't know how to make it work without a retcon. 

Yeah I agree.. that's why I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to how all this plays out and have great faith in Ron Moore.  But based on what has been shown and stated about the Cylons, they didn't have human looking Cylons back when Tigh would of had to of been "planted" into human society.

There's still a lot about the cylons we don't know.

We assume that there were no skin-jobs back before the 1st war, but we don't know for sure.

At the beginning it says, "The Cylons were created by man....they evolved...and they have a plan"  For all we know, the Cylons were orginally created long before we thought they were.     

After all, they keep saying it's all happened before, and it will all happen again. 

“Battlestar Galactica” Season Three on DVD in August?

On his blog, “Battlestar Galactica,” composer Brear McCreary tells fans the show’s third season will be out on DVD in August 2007.

McCreary says the release date will coincide with a third-season soundtrack release.

This news has not been confirmed by any official sources from NBC Universal, nor are we aware of any extras that may or may not be on the releases. It’s assumed (based on previous releases) the Ron Moore podcasts will be included as commentaries as well as the webisodes that led up to season three. Other potential extras could include the deleted scenes shown on SciFi’s web site, producer David Eick’s video blogs and the blooper reel that made its round on YouTube.

Maybe this will help the long wait for new “Battlestar” as we all ponder the revleations from the final moments on Sunday night’s finale episode.

McCreary's blog entry is interesting. http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm

Here's an excerpt:

I happened to catch Ron Moore in the hallway at Universal and, in a brief conversation, got everything I needed to know. I learned that the idea was not that Bob Dylan necessarily exists in the characters' universe, but that an artist on one of the colonies may have recorded a song with the exact same melody and lyrics. Perhaps this unknown performer and Dylan pulled inspiration from a common, ethereal source. Therefore, I was told to make no musical references to any "Earthly" versions, Hendrix, Dylan or any others. The arrangement needed to sound like a pop song that belonged in the Galactica universe, not our own.

Oh My God.   Bob Dylan is the Final 5th Cylon!!!   

:D

Hey.  I havn't been able to find the most recent Ronald D. Moore commentary anywhere.  I usually get it on iTunes.

Has anyone had any luck with it?

I haven't.

I usually get it from my iTunes subscription.  It's not posted on scifi.com yet either. http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/season03/

I just read this.. I can't wait to get it..

Season Three of BSG is coming to DVD March 18th.

Here's a website with more info.

http://www.battlestargalacticadvd.com/?__source=GGL|CAMP021BSG_S3_Related_ImgCnt|ADGP012SciFiChannel|KWRD006sci-fi&sky=GGL|CAMP021BSG_S3_Related_ImgCnt|ADGP012SciFiChannel|KWRD006sci-fi

I just picked up my Season 3 DVD's. I havent seen season 3 yet. I cant wait!!!!!!!

Just thought I had to tell you how excited I am to watch these tonight :)

Have fun, Blackride; you are in for a fun ride!   :cylon :cheers