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Sarah Connor Chronicles Gets the Green Light
Source: Variety August 29, 2006


Warner Bros. TV has set David Nutter to direct the pilot for "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," prompting Fox Broadcasting to officially greenlight production on the "Terminator"-themed project.

Nutter, whose last 12 pilots have all been picked up to series, also will serve as executive producer. Andy Vajna and Mario Kassar's C2 Pictures, which produced the most recent "Terminator" feature, is producing with Warner Bros. TV.

Fox made a put pilot commitment to "Connor" last fall, picking up the script from executive producer Josh Friedman (War of the Worlds). Kassar and Vajna will also executive produce.

Casting on "Connor" will begin immediately, with filming expected to commence early next year in New Mexico.

Nutter -- who directed the pilots of successes such as "Smallville," "Without a Trace" and "Supernatural" -- has a connection with original "Terminator" helmer James Cameron, having directed the pilot for Cameron's Fox series "Dark Angel."

The new installment in the "Terminator" franchise revolves around Connor and her savior son, John Connor. The series will explore what happened to Sarah Connor after the end of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, when the character went on the run.

So will this be Post-T2, Pre-T3?  If so then we know that she will end up dying....am I remembering T3 correctly?

Still sounds like a kick a$$ series that I will give a chance.

Neat idea.  Hope they do a good job with it.

Lena Headey is Sarah Connor!
Source: Variety November 8, 2006

Lena Headey (Imagine Me & You) has landed the plum leading role in the Fox pilot "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," reports Variety.

The project, from Warner Bros. TV, continues the "Terminator" movie franchise storyline by focusing on Sarah and her 15-year-old son John, as they fight attackers from the future in present-day Los Angeles.

Headey takes over the role made famous by Linda Hamilton in the first two "Terminator" films. Josh Friedman will write and David Nutter is set to direct the pilot.

Headey's credits include the features The Brothers Grimm, The Cave and Ripley's Game. She next stars in Warner Bros.' 300.



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Hummm, Interesting...
What do you think Kenny? Had you heard of David Nutter before this announcement? Is he a good director? I never really enjoyed the Terminator movies, but then I wasn't really into Battlestar until I watched the new series on the Sci-Fi channel. Now I'm a big fan. If the new Terminator series is comparable to Battlestar, as far as writting and the effects are concerned, I might check it out. Otherwise...not so much. :-\

Yeah David Nutter has done quite a bit of TV and quite a bit of Sci Fi Fantasy.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0638354/

I think he's a good choice for creating a TV version of a huge Terminator universe. I think this is a wait and see type of thing. I mean it's only a pilot. Hundreds of pilots are made every year and we only hear about a few of them and even less get picked up for a series. This is different because it's taking a much loved movie series and downsizing it to TV.

I enjoyed all the Terminator movies and hope this pilot does well enough to get pick up for a series. I'll give it a chance.

All true. :)  Thanks for the info.

I am hoping this will turn out good, as it does sound like an interesting premise. Since it will deal with something familar, will hopefully mean that if good, it will get a lot of people interested.

After T2 why, exactly, did Sarah and John have to go on the run?  I forget.  I personally would like a series that is post T3...John Connors rise to power etc.....of course then the title "Sarah Connor Chronicles" wouldn't be quite fitting would it.  I would the post apocalyptic storyline far more interesting.  I will check it out but I am going in with low expectations.

Fox Finds Their John Connor
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 7 Dec 20061 Comment so far...Fox, the network that generally cuts anything SF after two or three episodes, has found their John Connor for the upcoming Terminator weekly series “The Sarah Connor Chronicles.”

Thomas Dekker, isn’t new to the genre scene and shouldn’t be a total stranger to SF fans. He is Claire’s friend Zach on NBC’s mega-hit “Heroes.” He has also done stints on non-genre work such as “7th Heaven” and “House.” For the real SF trivia buff…what Star Trek series and which Star Trek movie did Dekker appear in? He also was the recipient of the Young Artists Award in the category for Best Performance On a Television Series for his appearance in two episodes of “Boston Public.”

So, at least now we know that John won’t be a tiny tot on the series. In fact, the series’ action picks up after the events depicted in “Terminator 2: Judgment Day” and follows Sarah Connor (Lena Headey), a modern-day warrior and protective single mom to 15-year-old son John (Dekker).

I'm really hoping they do a good job on this.  It would be great to have more details on the Terminator universe that they never had time for in the movies.

Lena Headey, the lead in the new scifi television show “The Sarah Connor Chronicles” revealed that “Firefly/Serenity” actress Summer Glau will be one of two Terminator robots in the weekly series. She made her remarks at this weekend’s WonderCon held in San Francisco, CA.

Glau will play a female Terminator named Cameron (after franchise creator James Cameron), the other Terminator is a male starring Owain Yeoman. Heady indicated that one Terminator is out to protect the Connors and the other has been sent to destroy them. She would not reveal which was good and which was the bad robot.

“We were in Albuquerque for a month. And it was very intense, because TV is crazy,” commented Heady. “I mean, it’s long days. It’s like boom, boom, boom. You don’t get any respite. But, I think it’s going to be great. I don’t know if its going to be picked up, because it’s only in pilot stage right now. But I learned to shoot many weapons and how to recognize a Terminator. So it was a good experience.”

I hope Summer is the good robot.  I have trouble seeing her as bad.  Plus that would probably mean more screen time.

Dekker Looks Forward To Connor

Thomas Dekker, who stars as John Connor in the newly picked-up Fox series The Sarah Connor Chronicles, told SCI FI Wire that he will have a new take on the character played successively by Edward Furlong and Nick Stahl in the Terminator films. "Obviously, I don't want to ignore what's already there, but where our story is in the pilot is very different from where John's story was in the films," Dekker said in an interview at the Saturn Awards in Universal City, Calif., last week. "So I tried to infuse the right parts of him, but really try and invent my own character at the same time. It's quite a difficult balance."

SCI FI Wire spoke to Dekker a day before Fox announced that it would be picking up the series for the fall season. He said that no matter what the network decided, he would always value the experience of filming the pilot. "I'm just honored to have done the pilot," he said. "To be in such good company with the other actors who've played this part. It's a great responsibility, I feel, to do it right. And whether it goes or not, it's been an honor either way. But if it does, I know that no one will be disappointed. It's head and shoulders above what people are expecting, I think."

After two months of filming in New Mexico, Dekker formed a close bond with co-star Lena Headey, who takes over Linda Hamilton's role as Sarah Connor, the mother of future resistance leader John Connor. It's a relationship he's looking forward to continuing as the series goes on. "That's probably the biggest gift of doing the pilot, was Lena and I became literally inseparable," he said. "We're so close. And I can think of nothing better than working with her every day. She's British and all my family is British, and so I'm there all the time. It's a good bond."

Fox Sets Chronicles For Midseason

Fox announced May 18 that it will wait until next January to premiere the Terminator-inspired drama The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which will air Sundays at 9 p.m. Fox entertainment president Peter Ligouri made the announcement at the network's up-front presentation for advertisers in New York, and noted that the series will air in the timeslot once dominated by The X-Files. Chronicles will air uninterrupted until the end of the season in May. Based on the characters introduced in the Terminator films, the series stars Lena Headey in the title role and Thomas Dekker as her son, John Connor, the future leader of the human rebellion against an army of machines.

I am so not excited about this. Should I even watch T3?

All 3 Terminator movies are quite good, though T2 is the best, especially with the Director's Cut.  If you haven't seen all 3 Terminator films, you should check them out.  The Sarah Connor Chronicles will follow T1 and T2 and ignore T3.  The upcoming Terminator 4 will be a continuation of the TV show, not Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

There will essentially be two timelines for Terminator.

Timeline 1
The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

Timeline 2
The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Terminator 4

I don't mind TSCC ignoring T3, but I'm real dissapointed that T4 will not follow T3.  :-\

I was watching Simpsons tonight and saw a preview of this show.. it looks AWESOME.. so I went to you tube looking for the commercial I saw but found this promo.

I'm very excited for this series.

Any idea how the writers strike will impact this series?  I'm guessing they only have a set chunk of episodes done just like other shows.

I thought I read that they completed the run.. something like 13 episodes... I'll see if I can find the info.

I was reading other sources that says T4 will be a continuation of the series and not ignore T3

Fox will post the pilot episode of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" exclusively on tv.Yahoo! for 24 hours beginning January 4 at 9PM PT/12AM ET. The commercial-free premiere will also feature an exclusive introduction by star Lena Headey (Sarah Connor).

Cool!  Looking forward to see what they do with this concept.

I saw a bunch of promo's during the Fiesta Bowl last night. I am looking forward to it but the promo's did not look very good at all. :(

Quote from: Bryancd on January 03, 2008, 03:45:32 PM
I saw a bunch of promo's during the Fiesta Bowl last night. I am looking forward to it but the promo's did not look very good at all. :(

I am feeling exactly the same way. I am hoping for the best as I did with Bionic Women.

Really.. Previews have gotten me real excited for it.. I'm loving them.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 03, 2008, 04:17:10 PM
Really.. Previews have gotten me real excited for it.. I'm loving them.

The web site on Fox for the show is very cool. Check it out it you haven't.

I'm only talking about the TV ads, which were very....bad.

Watching the first episode now... the first five minutes... WOW!!!

http://tv.yahoo.com/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles/show/39221/videos/5821348

Just finished watching the first episode... WOW  :jawdrop.. if they keep this up all season long this is going to be one AWESOME series.

I will be watching tomorrow and it better be in HD!!!!!!

Quote from: Blackride on January 05, 2008, 04:25:20 PM
I will be watching tomorrow and it better be in HD!!!!!!

Well you'll be disappointed.. Yahoo TV doesn't stream video in HD.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 05, 2008, 04:27:54 PM

Quote from: Blackride on January 05, 2008, 04:25:20 PM
I will be watching tomorrow and it better be in HD!!!!!!

Well you'll be disappointed.. Yahoo TV doesn't stream video in HD.

Isn't this going to be on TV next week?......I meant I will be watching it when it hit the airwaves :)

Here are some pretty cool pictures I found on there website.

Quote from: Blackride on January 05, 2008, 04:29:12 PM
Isn't this going to be on TV next week?......I meant I will be watching it when it hit the airwaves :)

Oh.. sorry I misunderstood, Yes it start Jan. 13th and yes it will be in HD.

Think I'm going to wait until Jan 13th so I can watch it on the big HDTV for the first time.

Kenny, I'm beginning to think you work on this show... ;)

I'm going to watch, I just thought the marketing was bad. They played up a lot of jokey one liners, the teenage Terminator girl doesn't look cool to me, it looked like Terminator 90210.

LOL... no just like to promote underdog shows... and I do love Summer Glau  :)

Quote from: Rico on January 05, 2008, 04:43:42 PM
Think I'm going to wait until Jan 13th so I can watch it on the big HDTV for the first time.

Yeah I couldn't resist watching it... and I'll be there on Jan 13th at 8pm watching it again on my big screen.

The 24 hour window has closed.. no more preview of the pilot.. gotta wait till it airs on Fox Jan 13th.

Terminator Mediates Peace

An event took place this past Wednesday that accomplished what months and months of talks and nearly 3 months of walking a picket line has failed to do - cause a momentary peace settlement between network execs and WGA writers. And of course, it was the powerful draw of sci-fi that garnered that peace.

Fox Television did something unexpected. The network offered up a big Hollywood-type premiere for its upcoming new television series, "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."

On hand for the event were studio executives and producers, actors, directors, and yes, even Guild writers - rubbing shoulders, smiling and pretending like all was well at the Cinerama Dome in Los Angeles.

Gracing the event were series stars Lena Headey, Thomas Dekker, Summer Glau and Richard T. Jones. Also on hand was Kristanna Loken who starred as the Terminator in the last big screen Terminator film "Rise of the Machines."

A new big screen Terminator trilogy is currently in the making.

The network debut of the series happens this coming Sunday on Fox, but all the participants at this grandeous movie-style premiere were treated to the show's opening pilot episode at the full Hollywood gala.

"I've been working on the show for two years, it's been my life, and there hasn't been a lot of good things to celebrate for writers in the last few months," Josh Friedman, the show's writer/executive producer said. "So I wanted to be here to celebrate.

I honestly thought it would be awful.  But I have to say that I enjoyed this vision of the Terminator story,  at least the first hour.  Continuity freaks will be jumping up and down and Fox will probably kill it after one season.  But I will be in line to get the DVD if that happens.

I think with the twist at the end of the show, that corrects continuity. Then agan how much continuity can you have in a show who's premise sarts with time travel?

wow, not what I expected.  Much better show than I had hoped for.  It should be interesting to see how it develops.

I thought it was AWESOME... I watched it a week ago, when the previewed it online and have been dying to see it again. I know this is the pilot and they put a lot money into it to sell the series.. I just hope every episodes is as exciting and action packed as this one was.

My wife and I thought it was OK. When I compare it to shows like BSG,LOST and Firefly it leaves me a bit wanting. I will give it a few weeks as I do not think it's totally fair to judge a series on a pilot.

I thought they did a pretty good job establishing things.  Production values look pretty good for TV.  But (and I know this has been discussed), aren't they kind of rewriting a bit of what happened in the movies?  Especially with what happened at the end of the pilot episode.  Anyway, I'll keep watching.  A new SF show on the air is great to have right now.

I think that change is what allows them to ignore the last movie and if Sarah can change the date of Skynet's bith several times, it should be assumed that T3 is just another of those timelines that got changed.

I have to say the thought of being 15 year old boy and having to time travel with a cute female robot and your mother all totally naked is a bizarre thought.  I think Sigmund Freud would have something to say about that.

Terminator Destroys Competition
Source: Variety
January 14, 2008

Fox's Sunday debut of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" scored the best opening night demographic ratings of any new show in three years, while NBC's not-so-lustruous Golden Globes special barely registered with audiences, reports Variety.

Boosted by strong marketing and a big NFL playoffs lead-in, the Warner Bros. TV-produced "Terminator" notched an eye-popping 7.6 rating/18 share among adults 18-49 and delivered around 18.3 million viewers with its one-hour premiere Sunday at 8.

"Terminator" gave Fox its best premiere numbers for a scripted show in eight years, since "Malcolm in the Middle" became an instant hit on a January Sunday night in 2000.

"Terminator" also ended the two-week reign of "American Gladiators" as the season's biggest premiere. Fox's scripted series outdrew "Gladiators" by 30 percent in the demographic and by 50 percent in overall viewers.

I really liked the first episode. I will definitely watch the second episode  tonight.

OK, finally had a chance to watch the first episode and I am recording the second. It was good, not yet awesome for me, but pretty good. I think Sarah's character is ok, the actress is a little too young looking but otherwise fine, John is good, the teenage terminator I have a hard time with, but I'll reserve judgement. She just adds this lame tenniebopper element that I don't dig. I also thought the guy Terminator was weak. I mean he misses John from ten feet away in a classroom? The ending was very good.

Just got done watching the second episode and I'm still loving it. Lot's of action and the sfx were pretty cool. I have a soft spot for Summer Glau ever since Firefly and love watching her kick butt.

We watched it tonight too.  Liked it.  I hope it keeps being this good.

Where can I see the shows??  I have no TV!!!!!! /cry 


jk

King

Maybe check www.fox.com

I really enjoyed the second episode.  I think this series has some good potential.  It's interesting and I'm liking the casting a lot.  I was a bit confused by where all the terminator parts came from in 2007.  I saw the head zap through with them in time, but where did the rest of the body come from?  Didn't that get blasted by Sarah in the bank?  Is that another terminator?  Anyway, not a huge thing.  Again, really enjoying the series.

SPOILERS





From what I gathered, the terminator was the one that they blew up. On a scarrier note, did you notice what the other terminator saw when he looked at Cameron?

Quote from: Bryancd on January 14, 2008, 07:04:35 PM
OK, finally had a chance to watch the first episode and I am recording the second. It was good, not yet awesome for me, but pretty good. I think Sarah's character is ok, the actress is a little too young looking but otherwise fine, John is good, the teenage terminator I have a hard time with, but I'll reserve judgement. She just adds this lame tenniebopper element that I don't dig. I also thought the guy Terminator was weak. I mean he misses John from ten feet away in a classroom? The ending was very good.

This is exactly how I felt.

Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2008, 04:49:35 AM
I was a bit confused by where all the terminator parts came from in 2007.  I saw the head zap through with them in time, but where did the rest of the body come from?  Didn't that get blasted by Sarah in the bank?  Is that another terminator? 

Here is how I understood it.. yes the head did come through when Sarah, John and Cameron. It was mentioned several times in the second episode that Sarah and John died in a bank blast. So I'm thinking that the Terminator body was part of the ruble when the bank vault blew up. It was tossed in a junk yard with the rest of the bank ruble and sat there for eight years.

Sarah's Chronicles a Winner
Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2008

Fox has itself a hit show. The only question that remains is — how long before they dump it?

This week's premiere of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" crushed all of its competition on Sunday and again last night for episode two of the new television series showcasing the Connors — Sarah, John and those terminating robots from the future. In fact the ratings were the highest for any new show over the last three years.

The most impressive thing about the program's ratings is it appealed mostly to network's and advertiser's most important demographic, the 18-49 age group which gave the show an overall 18 share which equates to a 7.6 Nielsen rating. Those kinds of ratings measure out to a viewership amounting to over 18 million people sitting in front of their TV screens watching the show live. The numbers for the TiVO and DVR watchers is still filtering in but is expected to also break previous records for a debut show.

Of course it didn't hurt it any for that demographic to have an NFL championship "division" playoff game as the show's lead-in on Sunday night.

"What I'm looking at with the glass half full is strong numbers, the No. 1 premiere of the season," stated Fox Entertainment chair Peter Liguori. "In terms of realistically looking forward, we'll try to dig down as deep as possible to see what our expectations might be. From there we'll see how we can grind it out week to week," he said.

Just watched the first two and I have to say "Two thumbs up!".  It looks really promising! 

Lets hear it for Fox!

King

Quote from: Kinglinksr on January 15, 2008, 12:32:05 PM
Just watched the first two and I have to say "Two thumbs up!".  It looks really promising! 

Lets hear it for Fox!

King

I agree, king; this show looks like it will be pretty good! :)   The fight choreographers did a great job with the terminator vs. terminator melee scenes- they reminds me of the fight scenes from Terminator II.  And like someone mentioned earlier, the effects are pretty good, especially for a TV show! 
The use of the new model of "Protector-Bot" is pretty interesting; I get the impression that this version is modeled on someone who is very important to John Conner in the post-judgement day future...

Quote from: wraith1701 on January 15, 2008, 03:33:16 PM

Quote from: Kinglinksr on January 15, 2008, 12:32:05 PM
Just watched the first two and I have to say "Two thumbs up!".  It looks really promising! 

Lets hear it for Fox!

King

I agree, king; this show looks like it will be pretty good! :)   The fight choreographers did a great job with the terminator vs. terminator melee scenes- they reminds me of the fight scenes from Terminator II.  And like someone mentioned earlier, the effects are pretty good, especially for a TV show! 
The use of the new model of "Protector-Bot" is pretty interesting; I get the impression that this version is modeled on someone who is very important to John Conner in the post-judgement day future...

Actually, the scenes more reminded me of the 3rd movie.  But w/e it doesn't matter.

King

Itunes has Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles the pilot episode for free download right now.

Pretty cool.

Thanks Rick.. for the heads up.

I watched the Fist two episodes last night, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I was surprised at the end of the Pilot that they transported to 2007, but thought it was cool. I still could not really figure out how all those parts for the Gun and the time machine showed up in the bank vault. I know someone came back earlier and placed them there, but how? Since they travel with nothing through time. I might have missed that explanation, so if someone could explain that would be cool. I thought it was cool how the Terminator tracking them showed up in the 2007, and reclaimed his head at the end. I do agree that he seemed a bit lame when trying to shoot John, that he missed, but I think I can let it slide ;) . Overall I thought the casting was good, I like this John a lot better then the Edward Furlong John in T2, actually I like any John better then Edward Furlong's. I liked the female Terminator as well, she seems to play the role well, and as I would expect her to. Looking forward to the next week.

Quote from: jedijeff on January 17, 2008, 06:26:39 AM
I still could not really figure out how all those parts for the Gun and the time machine showed up in the bank vault. I know someone came back earlier and placed them there, but how? Since they travel with nothing through time. I might have missed that explanation, so if someone could explain that would be cool.

Cameron explains that they can't travel through time with anything so they send back people to the past to "build" this stuff. She says something like they are very resourceful in finding what they need. As for how they got in the vault, the person who came back from the future to build those things got a job in the construction of the vault when the back when it was built.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 17, 2008, 07:41:10 AM

Quote from: jedijeff on January 17, 2008, 06:26:39 AM
I still could not really figure out how all those parts for the Gun and the time machine showed up in the bank vault. I know someone came back earlier and placed them there, but how? Since they travel with nothing through time. I might have missed that explanation, so if someone could explain that would be cool.

Cameron explains that they can't travel through time with anything so they send back people to the past to "build" this stuff. She says something like they are very resourceful in finding what they need. As for how they got in the vault, the person who came back from the future to build those things got a job in the construction of the vault when the back when it was built.

Thanks Kenny, I must have missed the resourceful part of her explanation. That clears it up for me :)

liked it alot and i hope it goes places. its got a real shot being about the only thing running thats new. although i have one nagging inconsistancy. when the t101 head flys into the timesphere and goes too.  . . i keep hearing Lt Rese cuffed to the chair yelling "surrounded by living tissue" shoulda left flesh on the flying head.  . . eek that sounds gross.

Yeah, I wondered about that too.

--- Oh welcome to the forum MouseSlayer!

Welcome MouseSlayer!

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WOW . . .  The RICO! honored.

What about the Blackride......I feel like a second class citizen! That's kinda how my wife and kid treat me! jk

WOW ...the  . . um . . blackride?!

sorry i must be too new around here still have thwe "getting to know you " song as a background theme.

i gotta fill out my profile.

Quote from: MouseSlayer on January 19, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
WOW ...the  . . um . . blackride?!

sorry i must be too new around here still have thwe "getting to know you " song as a background theme.

i gotta fill out my profile.

Don't worry I have 300 posts and people still think I am a troll! :)

sorta on this thread,

ive read a few of the books and they explain how time isn't as linear as it could be and how it snaps back to it's original path . so you may not stop huge events from occuring but you can change the circumstance and possibly mitigate the damage. but not change that it actually happens.

i hope they use the same explaination or some explaination soon of what is occuring to get us grounded in the suspension of disbelief factor. even if the characters basically bring up the question (sorta have), determine that they don't know and swear to resolve the issue.maybe have an hypothisis by the end of the first season.

yeah that would be nice.

Ohhh im an Ensign!  shiny....

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Quote from: MouseSlayer on January 19, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
WOW ...the  . . um . . blackride?!

sorry i must be too new around here still have thwe "getting to know you " song as a background theme.

i gotta fill out my profile.

Don't worry I have 300 posts and people still think I am a troll! :)

Yes, but you are a fellow athlete :).

And Welcome to the Mouse!

Quote from: MouseSlayer on January 19, 2008, 01:40:56 PM
liked it alot and i hope it goes places. its got a real shot being about the only thing running thats new. although i have one nagging inconsistancy. when the t101 head flys into the timesphere and goes too.  . . i keep hearing Lt Rese cuffed to the chair yelling "surrounded by living tissue" shoulda left flesh on the flying head.  . . eek that sounds gross.

I think when Sarah shots him with that gun, right before they time jump, the flesh is removed  leaving just the skull.

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Quote from: Blackride on January 19, 2008, 03:48:12 PM

Quote from: MouseSlayer on January 19, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
WOW ...the  . . um . . blackride?!

sorry i must be too new around here still have thwe "getting to know you " song as a background theme.

i gotta fill out my profile.

Don't worry I have 300 posts and people still think I am a troll! :)

Yes, but you are a fellow athlete :).

And Welcome to the Mouse!

I feel loved again!  :)

Just saw Summer Glau interview (she plays Cameron) and she said they completed 9 of their 13 episodes before the writer strike. So it looks like we will get at least nine of them.

Awesome news!  I didn't think that had quite that many.  So we have about two months of the show.  New episode tonight too.

She also mentioned that they were able to tweak episode nine a little to make is a really good finale.

Decent episode today but why in the heck can't that girl fit in at High School when in the pilot she fooled everyone? Little contunity problem :)

Yeah.. not a bad episode. Didn't understand the who painted door and girl killing herself.. I assume will find out more. After Cameron fitting in at school in the pilot and now she seems to be a fish out of water. I think her character changed from pilot to series.

That was a very intense episode.  Wow.  They are making it so we are on the edge of our seats.  And now, we have to wait two weeks!   :shocked

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 21, 2008, 10:06:20 PM
Yeah.. not a bad episode. Didn't understand the who painted door and girl killing herself.. I assume will find out more. After Cameron fitting in at school in the pilot and now she seems to be a fish out of water. I think her character changed from pilot to series.

Yeah, I don't understand the door thing either at the school.  Is that just a high school thing or is it related to the overall plot?  Seems odd to put it in if it isn't connected.  I didn't mind Cameron acting kind of goofy and not fitting in.  I think she can fit in when she wants to.  She seems to be able to even fool Sarah and John as we saw near the end of the episode - when she decides to do that.  I think much of this series will revolve around just what she is.  I think she is a lot more than just your average terminator.

Quote from: Rico on January 22, 2008, 05:29:10 AM
  I think she is a lot more than just your average terminator.

I agree with you 100%

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 21, 2008, 10:06:20 PM
Yeah.. not a bad episode. Didn't understand the who painted door and girl killing herself.. I assume will find out more. After Cameron fitting in at school in the pilot and now she seems to be a fish out of water. I think her character changed from pilot to series.

It looked like a picture of the girl making out with someone, and the other girls were teasing her about it.

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  As many of you know, things tend to take on much more significance than they actually have for some teenagers.  I guess the girl figured she couldn't live with "the shame of it all".  Perhaps the director was just trying to set up how rough high school can be, so that we can further empathize with Cameron and John's attempts to fit in.

QuoteI think she is a lot more than just your average terminator.

I have a feeling that we are going to see a weird machine/human romance develop between John and Cameron.

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 22, 2008, 07:53:44 AM

Quote from: Rico on January 22, 2008, 05:29:10 AM
  I think she is a lot more than just your average terminator.

I agree with you 100%

Yes, but that really doesn't explain why in the first show she could blend in and now she is the fish out of water. That's a weak construct on the part of the writers. The rest of the episode was very good, especially the Treminator using that scientist to develop the skin regeneration goo. And the girl jumping from the roof, good for them for taking that risk. She's no Claire from Heroe's!

Pilots are shot months in advance to sell the series.. maybe they decided to have Cameron not fit in so well in the series.. makes for better stories. It's a minor thing for me.. so I can over look it. Also you could say she was trying to get close to John in the pilot so she acted that way.. now she is protecting him and acting more like a protector.

Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2008, 06:02:05 PM

Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on January 22, 2008, 07:53:44 AM

Quote from: Rico on January 22, 2008, 05:29:10 AM
  I think she is a lot more than just your average terminator.

I agree with you 100%

Yes, but that really doesn't explain why in the first show she could blend in and now she is the fish out of water. That's a weak construct on the part of the writers. The rest of the episode was very good, especially the Treminator using that scientist to develop the skin regeneration goo. And the girl jumping from the roof, good for them for taking that risk. She's no Claire from Heroe's!

Got to watch it and it was good.  A tad weak I felt, but overall a good episode.  But hey, they can't all be good. ;)  I can't wait to see more, but 2 weeks???

/cry

King

I finally watched last night, and liked it. I liked how Sarah struggled with having to kill the computer genius guy, but in the end she couldnt and just destroyed his lifes work. I to was puzzled with the picture on the wall, if this is something ongoing, then possibly John/Cameron might have their secrets exposed similarily at some point. Just a guess on my part, as not sure how the girl jumping off the school, strange picture fits into the whole story arc.

you did see her perk up when john mentioned the (i forget what it was called) point when machines make better versions of themselves without the aid of humans?

hmmmmm....

either that or by the "unidentified cyborg" maybe she's got a human brain in that steel cranuim.

ex girlfiend maybee. . .  *snicker-snicker*

Summer Glau: Talks Firefly and Terminator

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Jan-31-2008

Could there be another incarnation of Joss Whedon's science-fiction western "Firefly" on the horizon? Summer Glau says of course: it's a show that is "never over."

"We're very close," Glau said of the cast during a recent press conference with reporters including SyFy Portal. "I get to see Nathan [Fillion] the most because he lives the closest, and I still see everyone whenever I can."

Someone she misses a lot is Jewel Staite, who is now a regular on SciFi Channel's "Stargate: Atlantis," thus spends a lot of time in Vancouver, B.C.

"We all had such a strong bond, and that was my first experience," Glau said. "I didn't even know how to stand on my mark. I blocked the camera all the time, I ran into people, and they still treated me like an equal and as part of the family. I think we would all come back if we got the opportunity."

In the meantime, however, Glau has taken on the role of a Terminator in Fox's "Sarah Connor Chronicles." Unlike costars Lena Headey and Thomas Dekker, who reprised roles originally made famous by the likes of Linda Hamilton and Eddie Furlong, Glau got to take on a role created specifically for the new series. But that didn't stop fans from trying to compare her to a certain state governor.

"Lena and Thomas have done an amazing job, and they're both very brave actors," Glau said. "I completely trust their versions of their characters. It was easier for me, but people still ask me about Arnold Schwarzenegger. No one can possibly compare me to him. He was an icon, and I am doing something very different."

Playing the somewhat emotionally and societally detached Cameron, Glau has had to face an evolution of sorts with her robotic character. Some viewers felt that it was inconsistent of her character to be very human when she is first introduced in the pilot, and then suddenly be more machine than anything else as the series has wore on.

"We were experimenting with Cameron quite a bit, and we wanted her to be able to seem to be human, and we especially wanted John to be fooled by her so that he would let her into his life," Glau said. "So in the pilot, I do act very human, and as I go through the series, it appears that I have taken steps back and acting more like the Terminator that I am."

Cameron is trying to develop more of a human perspective, but Glau says she likes the challenge of trying to achieve a real sense of that, not just one that was programmed to fool John in the beginning.

"Once her cover was blown with the Connors, she was able to drop that persona and become who she really is," Glau said.

It's hard to ignore the similarities between her character of Cameron in "Sarah Connor" and River Tam in "Firefly," but these are still two totally different characters, Glau said.

"They're both kind of foreigners in their surroundings," she said. "River was never good at being able to relate to the people around her, and always seemed to be somewhere else in her mind. And Cameron is the same way. She is from a different place, a different time. She is not human, and she doesn't really know how to relate to people that she is living her life with now."

Will she begin to relate with humans enough to love them? You know, like with John Connor?

"The writers are keeping me guessing," Glau said. "I can't tell you, but I know that [a John-Cameron romance] is a possibility, and I think Cameron does love John in her own way. Her entire existence is to protect him. Her entire purpose in life is to keep him safe and to be with him always, and with that she does love him as best as she can."

"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" airs Mondays at 9 p.m. ET on Fox.

Quote from: MouseSlayer on January 19, 2008, 01:40:56 PM
liked it alot and i hope it goes places. its got a real shot being about the only thing running thats new. although i have one nagging inconsistancy. when the t101 head flys into the timesphere and goes too.  . . i keep hearing Lt Rese cuffed to the chair yelling "surrounded by living tissue" shoulda left flesh on the flying head.  . . eek that sounds gross.

Okay I too was stumped by the whole head thing and the limits of time shift technology then I realised that they had already broken that rule with T2. The T-1000 wasn't flesh at all and only looked flesh in his liquid metal state. That means that they solved that problem at some point.

 :jemhadar
Well, Terminator has 3 episodes now.  It seems to me to be on of the top sci-fi shows out there and the writing is gritty - people aren't spared!  It also seems that you almost see the actors getting their paces with each episode.  I wonder how they are not affected by the writer's strike unless they had several episodes in the can?

So what do you guys think - TIVO Season Pass  :thumbsup

I think 4 episodes have aired.  They made 9 total, so there are 5 left to show.  It was going to be 13 episodes until the strike messed them up.  I'm liking it pretty much.  It's on my TIVO season pass.  I do worry still that they are a bit limited in what they can do.  I'd love to see them explore the Cameron character more and get into the whole what is a man what is a machine thing.

I'm loving this series.. so much fun and a great mixture of good story and action. I hope this gets picked up for a second season.. and next weeks episode looks like we get a sneak peek into the future war.. can't wait!!!

I wasn't so thrilled with last weeks episode where they followed that Treminator and his crew to that old base where he was going to store that metal, especially leaving the guy in the minfield. That was dumb beyond comprehension and the secondary characters, the soldier guys, were awful! How do they not find their buddy knocked out in the truck? How fast does that guy buy John's excuse about his dead friends? I did like the FBI story line more, however, but I think Rico's right, the Terminator vs. Treminator stuff won't keep this series going long.

An interesting episode this past week.  So now John's uncle is around....well maybe.  Got to fix the bullet to the gut first.  I'm still not sure what the school stuff and the suicide girl has to do with anything.  Maybe it doesn't.  Maybe it's just to show Cameron trying to fit in.  Anyway, the show is still holding my interest.

so far so good. although someone really needs to invest in armor piercing slugs. whats the use of a gun if it barely slows it down. maybe uncle bob might have something better up his sleeve. oh and that counselor was so fishing for info , you could almost hear the unspoken "did she say anything about me/us". and what happens when mr artist/secret exposer gets his sights on Cameron. this could be fun, just please get better bullets. kevlar couches =$189 . . .12 guage shotgun=$249 . . .Israeli shoulder fired armor piercing rocoiless. . . pricless.

I am enjoying the show so far. The school stuff with the counselor does seem like a setup to something with Cameron, as I got the impression as well, he was having a relationship with the student, and was fishing for answers. John and the female student with the protective parent I am hoping will turn out to be something more interesting then a 90210 type story line(Opps, Brian Austin Green showed up, so maybe shades of things to come ;) ). Sorry to see the chess guy get whacked, would have liked to see his character pop up more in the series.

What did you folks think about last night's episode?  It was way more science fiction for me, I liked the flashes into the future, thought the cgi was great.  Pretty cool storyline.

What did you think?

Oh, I found a good podcast about the Sarah Connor Chronicles, it's pretty fun.
http://www.skynextpodcast.com/ (http://www.skynextpodcast.com/)

I was expecting a bit more from the last episode.  I was hoping to see John in the future.  Maybe we still will.  Also, you have the whole time paradox problem.  Doesn't the future change the minute something in the past changes?  How could Uncle Reese be held prisoner in the future with the computer genius that he goes back and kills?  It gets confusing.  Wouldn't that be changed?

I did like the scene between Sarah's ex boyfriend and Cameron.  "I freak him the hell out!"  Great line!

I thought it was a pretty good episode, I do agree the stuff with Andy Good is a bit confusing, as you would think that Derek killing him in the past will have changed the future quite a bit, maybe we will see a lot of the outcome from that in future episodes. I guess it is a bit forboding as well about Terminators going bad, and the one if the future programmed to protect killing all those people. I guess now the cloud will be hanging over Cameron that the same thing might happen to her.

I enjoyed the last episode.  The series is really growing on me; the writers' use of little dangling plot threads each episodes leaves me eagerly awaiting the next show.

I liked the interaction between Sarah's paramedic ex and Cameron, when he was comparing her to the triple-8 --"You're a really scary robot!" :laugh:

About the time paradox thing- that bothered me for a while, until I reached into my bag of sci-fi plot-devices.   Perhaps by tampering with the time line, the time travelers cause the timeline to split into parallel realities.  I don't know...

The part of the episode that got to me the most was the idea of terminators going bad.  We've now seen that Cameron is capable of lying (at least to Sarah), and apparently has her own agenda.  She flat out said that she would destroy all traces of the triple-8, and yet she seems to have some kind of fascination or attachment to its control chip.  What is she planning to do with it?

let see ... she has metal alloy, a futuristic CPU, and we never did see her trash all the bagged skin. . . might she be considering building a friend??

or are they just replacement parts for when she gets too banged up.

I wrote an email in to the skynext podcast Chronicle #6 "D&D" and they read it about one our eight minutes in to the show.  I was being a total smart alec in it. 
I combined Heroes and Sarah Connor Chronicles into a question.

http://www.skynextpodcast.com (http://www.skynextpodcast.com)

Very funny, download it and check it out! 

This is soooooo true.

Cool cartoon Kenny.  The last episode was interesting.  I liked the ties in to the second movie.  Summer Glau is quite the ballerina.  Next week we get the season (or maybe series) 2 hr. finale.  I hope the show returns.  Any word on that yet?

Well Summer Glau is a professional Ballerina.. that is how Joss Whedon discovered her.. she was casted in an episode of Angel as a ballerina.

Yes, I recalled that after seeing her perform in this episode.

I think she (Summer) is doing a pretty amazing job if you ask me.  She is able to be cold and mechanical, and then at times graceful and human.  It is eerie and fascinating all at the same time.  That must be hard to do, yet it is coming off on screen as brilliant.

I haven't ever seen the Terminator movies, but the series is pretty cool.  I hope it will be back again.  No pun intended. :)

I hope this series gets pick up for a second season.. I really enjoyed this series and I just finished the season finale and it was a really good ending for the shorten season. This was only episode nine of original thirteen but still had a nice cliffhanger ending. Now we just have to keep our fingers crossed that Fox won't pull a Firefly and cancel this really good series before it's time.

Wow. That was pretty awesome.

Ok, best and most interesting scene.. well there were two of them.

One, when John takes the chip out of Cameron's head
Two, when the FBI agents and Swat unit fall into the swimming pool.  Wow, unique and very well done.  It conveyed so much emotion yet I hadn't seen anything quite like it before.   

so what in the world happened to Cameron???

:confused

I liked the 2 hours.  Had some interesting moments in it.  The scene on John's birthday in the park with his Uncle was nice.  Also thought looking at all the data on the chip was kind of interesting.  But, I was hoping things got a little more wrapped up - to a degree.  Of course, they couldn't solve everything but if this show doesn't come back it's just going to be another bad ending short series in Fox's library.

I'm starting to think that john built her from scratch. Did anyone else notice how her port and chip are different and that the tripple 8's don't know what model she is?

Found her model number according to fox ads, she's a TOK-715 ... Now if we only knew what that meant.

Quote from: Rico on March 04, 2008, 04:48:45 AM
But, I was hoping things got a little more wrapped up - to a degree.  Of course, they couldn't solve everything but if this show doesn't come back it's just going to be another bad ending short series in Fox's library.

How could have they wrapped it up.. this was episode number 9 or 13.. the other four were never written because of the strike. So the series just ended.. the episode that ended the season was not their intended last episode.

Quote from: Just X on March 04, 2008, 05:51:18 AM
I'm starting to think that john built her from scratch. Did anyone else notice how her port and chip are different and that the tripple 8's don't know what model she is?

I agree with you Chris... she is special.

 :jemhadar
With this series I REALLY like how the Cameron terminator is not written to follow the typical plot line.  For example, when you thought she might easily save the foreign couple she gave the diamond to for information - she just walks out and allows them to be shot.  This type of character development has happened at least 3 or 4 times.  Those twists make the plot line new since in so many serials the ending is so stereotypical (good guys win, bad guys don't).  Quite honestly, just about every ST episode follows this style of ending.

And why did the bad terminator model let the FBI agent live (besides not knocking a key character)?  That didn't make sense unless that terminator knows the future somewhat. Any ideas on that?

And what is not to like about Cameron/Summer character anyway?  The ballet dancing, the trying to learn human gestures, it's Data-like.  Notice how she walks mechanically everywhere with a little up and down motion?  And, for the male species out there, she is not hard to look at either!  Right!?

Wish we didn't have to wait until next season.

initial response to why the terminator didn't off the fbi agent? he did lower his weapon and almost became accepting of his inferiority to the machine. maybe this submissive behavior made him a non threat or enacted a proper relationship thing within the machine with humans serving at the whim of the machine, or maybe it's just sadistic and playing head games with him. there's probably more too it though since I'm so often off the mark anyway.

Good thoughts on the FBI guy.  Of course, the real reason is probably he is one of the main actors on the show and they didn't want to hire a new one.  ;)

Quote from: MouseSlayer on March 07, 2008, 10:25:13 AM
there's probably more too it though since I'm so often off the mark anyway.

I agree with this, I hope the show doesn't get cancelled, so we can find out. What a great show.

Well, I can't give it the glowing props you did, but I will say it was about 300X better than I thought it would be ... which brings it up to passable IMHO.

The main concept about Chrome Artie does not work, since non-living things can't come through the wormhole/time tunnel in the first eps. So right there, one whole storyline is a fail.

Reese was just annoying. He kept complaining about River (she'll always be River to me), but she was the one who saved him when a different toaster went berserk in the future.

The girl jumping off the school was a pointless distraction promptly forgotten about as soon as it got in the way of the (illogical) Chrome Artie killing everyone.

John's freaky lab partner was another pointless distraction.

Actually, there were a lot of pointless distractions that went nowhere.

I guess I'll have to amend my rating to BARELY passable.

You complain that there were alot of pointless story lines.. but you have to remember that this series of 13 episodes only got to 9 completed. Who's to say that some of the story lines were wrapped up by the 13th episode. I think it's unfair to judge this series with lack of storyline completion.. they never got a chance to complete them.

Fair enough. I did not know that it had to end a few eps early. I will amend my comment to "These looked like pointless distractions, but knowing what I know now, I hope they may be resolved in the first couple of eps next season."

Even so, the first two points have nothing to do with the abbreviated season. The Terminator head should not have been able to come through the wormhole, and it just rang false that Reese wouldn't at least tolerate River instead of constantly wanting to kill her. Being cautious is one thing. Being openly hostile is something else entirely.

I will say, hiring James Urbaniak, one of my favorite actors, gives the show some much needed legitimacy. Now if they can just overcome their lazy writing. The show has plenty of action, so that isn't really an issue. The special effects don't bother me either. I can't really stand any of the main characters - Sarah is way too antagonistic, John whines like Muad Dib in the SciFi Channel version of Dune, and River was perfectly blended in when she met John at the beginning, but as soon as he found out she was a toaster, she suddenly had no social skills and knew nothing.

It could be a really good show, even if it does apparently contradict the third movie, which I have not seen. It just needs some good writers and for the mains to be more relatable.

Quote from: Locutus on March 07, 2008, 10:49:26 PM
The main concept about Chrome Artie does not work, since non-living things can't come through the wormhole/time tunnel in the first eps. So right there, one whole storyline is a fail.

I think that made all of us stop and wonder when it first happened.  I know it was a topic of conversation at work the next day.  Maybe time travel is really bad for non-organics, making it almost pointless.  Obviously, Chromartie was in a bad shape after his time travel experience (and being blown up!).

I actually have a harder time buying the Terminator putting itself back together.

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Reese was just annoying. He kept complaining about River (she'll always be River to me), but she was the one who saved him when a different toaster went berserk in the future.

She's also part of the group which enslaved the human race and killed everyone he's ever cared about.  In light of that, I'm going to give Reese a pass on "complaining".

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The girl jumping off the school was a pointless distraction promptly forgotten about as soon as it got in the way of the (illogical) Chrome Artie killing everyone.

At a minimum, the girl underscored the conflict between John wanting to be a hero and his mother (the titular star of the show) not wanting to let him take on that role yet.  Also, that storyline hasn't been forgotten. 

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John's freaky lab partner was another pointless distraction.

She was in the final 2-parter.  They clearly haven't dropped the storyline.  It's just not over yet.

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Actually, there were a lot of pointless distractions that went nowhere.

There are a lot of things that haven't been resolved yet, after just 9 episodes.

Patience, grasshopper.

I thought this was pretty good.. it's an editorial from Slice of Scifi.

Time Travel

Written by: Emilio D'alise (SoSF Staff Journalist)

I had a hard time writing this, so I took (meaning in the past) a small trip to the future, logged on (meaning in the future) to Slice of SciFi, printed this piece out (in the future), came back (in the past), and here it is. Nice writing, if I will say so myself . . . er . . . do say so myself. By the way, there was a news item on the Slice of SciFi site (in the future) regarding the SciFi Channel switching to 24-hours wrestling format. Apparently in the future no one notices the change, having long since given up on the channel.

But I digress. Time Travel. I had a hard time writing this . . . wait . . . ah, here we go.

One of my favorite current TV shows is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (TTSCC). The stories are good, the characters are good, the action is good . . . I just have to ignore the whole time travel stuff. For one thing, we don't have a language for it. Tenses in particular are a bit difficult (hence the annotation in the first sentence). For those interested, there are many places on the net exploring the implications, possibility, mechanics, consequences, and even grammar of time travel. Really, most of it is pretty good, and all of it will give you a headache.

My opinion is the time travel plotline in Star Trek: Enterprise is what ultimately caused that show to fail (it did fail, right? Or was that on another timeline? Dang! . . . I should keep track).

While time travel is part of the general TTSCC background story, it's not shoved down our throat as it has been in some recent movies. It is not in itself the vehicle for moving the story along. Remove the whole time travel idea, and it's about a group of people who know "smart" machines are plotting to take over the world. Think about it . . . the machines are already there. The characters are fighting a real and present danger. The show tapped into the Terminator franchise, but really the premise could work with "regular" super-robots, without them having to come from the future.

For there is no question Judgment Day will come.

It has to, or the "bad" terminators, the ones who wear pants instead of the occasional miniskirt, would not be here. (Side note: a good sign of impending action scenes is when Summer Glau is wearing pants.) Why, even if they can keep the actual judgment day from occurring, they still have all these Terminators running around. Likely, the day would just be postponed.

Or is the thought once Judgment Day is averted, all these present-day Terminators will cease to exist? In that case, John would cease to exist as well, for Kyle Reese would never have come back to father him. How would that work? Would time "step back" to before the first Terminator movie timeline? Would Arnold suddenly be fit again?

You see, the machines have to strike, or John would not be alive. His existence is immutable proof that it will happen. And that leads to some implications. What follows are spoilers.

. . . well, not really. I don't know for a fact what I am about to reveal is true or not. It should be, but the writers could pull some sleight of hands, and make it all work out some other way. It would be wrong, but they could do it. Anyway, here it is.

Summer Glau's character, and Reese (the current one), and all the Terminators, and all associated time travelers from the future, they all have to die or be destroyed before arriving back at their own time. That would close the loop, as it did in the first two movies. My prediction, if the series continues, is that it will end on Judgment Day. Big explosions, smoke, noise, and cool looking Transformer-like machines involved in drastic population control.

All the backward time travelers need to be disposed of, or you end up with two Summer Glau Terminators, and they would be the same one. While some may say that is not a bad thing, it becomes a repeating loop. In fact, if she makes it to the time when she gets sent back, you'd instantly have an infinite number of copies hanging around. In short, the world would be ass-deep in Summer Glau copies. Sort of like a geek's idea of heaven.

So, I just finished watching the original Terminator, and two things stuck out.

1) They talk about how Artie gets through the wormhole - he is surrounded by living flesh, so everything inside him can pass though, but his clothes can't. (Caveat - Reese also says he didn't build it so he isn't sure how it works. It could be keyed to living flesh and terminators or something.) This, if you take it at face value, plainly states that Chrome Artie could not have gotten through the wormhole.

2) Kyle Reese says he does not remember the war and grew up after it. He also does not mention a brother, but he does mention a family, so that could be implied. But in the show, they have John meet Kyle as a child, clearly old enough to remember a war. I suppose a case could be made that Kyle never expressly states he was "born" after the war, and he may have blocked out the billions of people dying and the mushroom clouds.

Just a couple of points. I don't understand why they feel the need to change the story, especially things like that. It seems to me that there could have been other ways of getting the same points across without these changes.

(Now, before any of you say I'm being too picky, please remember that we are a primarily Star Trek group, and how upset were you that they were changing the Trek back story in Enterprise, or even in the new flick? That's what I thought. So let's discuss these points instead of how determined I am to dislike the show or anything. ;) Thanks.)

Well luckily I don't care about these points and I just enjoy the show for what it is.. a fun action, sci fi fantasy TV show... so I don't feel the need to be nitpicky and pick everything apart..  And just to point out.. I was not upset with Enterprise and changing the Trek back story.. again I enjoyed it for what it was.. good Sci Fi Fantasy Trek.

OK, but since we've already discussed at length that you have no desire to be as critical of these types of things; shows, movies, etc; I'm not sure if you trying to tell me I'm being too picky or just reiterating your stance on universal acceptance.

I truly do respect your ability to just refuse to critique, but I would ask that, if indeed you are trying to tell me I'm being too picky, that you would respect my desire to discuss these issues that I feel are part and parcel to my enjoying the show, or indeed any entertainment.

Lest you, Kenny, or anyone, get the feeling that I am upset or angry or lashing out, since it can be difficult to determine tone sometimes (and I know I can sound a little rude when I don't mean to), I am not saying this out of pique, but as someone who counts himself a friend of the people on this board. As far as I am concerned this is a friendly conversation, so there should be no offense taken.

I would ask, though, that when answering my questions, or anyone's questions, that you don't (intentionally or otherwise) marginalize the person's post. I did feel that my questions were unwelcome. I am really not trying to be difficult. I enjoy these discussions, and it is part of the  fun for me. If no one else does, just tell me, and I won't discuss them this way again.

I was just stating my opinion.. you are more then welcome to discuss whatever issues you may have with this series. I will not be participating in this discussion since I do not agree with those issues... discuss away.

I feel the conflict about Kyle Reese's memories is not important.  I didn't remember that, and it sounds like you didn't either until you went back and watched the film.

However, I think we all remembered the problem with metal going through the time travel process.  I know it was a discussion point the next day at work.  I think we could come up with ways to explain it, though.  I've already stated that it may just be a very rough ride, one a human couldn't survive.  From Kyle's perspective, that would make it impossible, but it could explain how Chromartie barely made it through, if not in one piece.

Discussing this stuff is fun to me.  Not to others.

The gentleman in the cubicle across from me was, I think, genuinely concerned that my friends and I were truly arguing about time travel theory a few weeks ago.  At lunch and during breaks we kept coming back to all the interweaved dependencies and the various possible timelines on the show.  It was fun to us, disturbing to him.

As I've stated earlier in this thread. When they created T2, they tossed the requirements for living flesh out of the window. The T-1000 might look human, but it was a liquid metal alloy. It had no problem going back in time.

As for the Kyle Rease stuff. That's another thing that's easy to address. It was stated that Judgment day was around 1999 and through their efforts it got pushed back. Kyle would have been born after Judgement Day and thus he would have had no memories of the war only the fall out from it.

I don't think can really complain about them changing things in TTSCC because every movie in that universe was about changing the timeline. From sending the Terminators to jumping ahead in time.

I think that the series does well to follow in the premise of the movies: Can time be change or do we create the timeline by attempting to change it? John couldn't have been born without timetravel and it seems that the growth of Skynet is connected to John. They jump into the future and suddenly Judgement day gets pushed back again? Are we sure that John Connor didn't create Skynet and is now in the process of fixing what he caused? For super machines, they haven't really done anything great to kill the guy. I'd still be sending wave after way to kill him in the womb if he wasn't important to the cause. Unless the attempt to kill him was the catalyst they needed to push him to develop something that he thinks will stop Skynet, only for it to become Skynet.

I've simply decided for this that the movies are sort of one version and the TV series is another.  They've tried to connect them as best they can but there are going to be some differences.  It doesn't really bother me as long as I still enjoy what I'm watching.

I was just thinking more on the terminator universe and realized, after debating with my wife, that the entire premise of the movie is flawed.

In the begining we have John sending his father back to protect his mother from the Terminator. Now if they didn't do that, John would have never existed to send Kyle back. Let's ignore that part for a second.

The terminator arrives and promptly begins to kill every Sarah Connor in the area because it doesn't know which Sarah Connor is the right Sarah Connor. It fails and is destroyed.

Flash forward to the next movie and not only does the Terminator know who the right Sarah is, it knows who John is. It is able to easily track down John and knows what he looks like, yet there was no forwarding of information to Skynet to give it the necessary information to ID either John or Sarah.

Ignoring the third movie because of the time jump and we have another situation where they know who John is and where he is. Unless skynet read his myspace or facebook page in the future, they shouldn't know who he is at all or what Sarah looks like. Somehow they do. They shouldn't know where they are living at, but they do.

Every time something happens for John to encounter a terminator, he comes from the experience having learned more about their technology. He has created a temporary Skynet by allowing an AI to control an entire city. What's stopping Skynet, a massive super AI, from sending these innept Terminators into the past, not to kill John, but to put him into the position to facilitate it's creation?

Would Sarah had slept with Rease if there wasn't the emotional rollacoaster of being hunted? Would John trust a machine if one wasn't sent back to establish that trust in the first place? Why would machines need humans as slave labor and put them in work camps when they should be able to do everything the humans could do, only better? Why do we never see John? Why hasn't a Terminator been sent back just to wait until judgement day to tell Skynet what work camp John would first try to escape from and have him killed then before he mounts the resistance? Why would moving three people forward in time be a reason that Judgement Day is delayed if none of those people have anything to do with the creation of Skynet?

I think the answer is Chess. Skynet and John are playing a game of Chess and the Terminators and Resistance are the pieces on the board. Humans are still allowed to exist because the game isn't over yet and both Skynet and John know that the game will be played regardless of which version of Skynet is the one playing.

Maybe he's guilty that he created Skynet and knows that it will happen. The only thing he can do is make sure that it's a skynet that won't make humanity extinct.

again i reiterate,  the theory i hold is that you may not eliminate events in the future but one could alter the circumstances and mitigate the damage. at least thats what i gleaned from the few terminator books that i read

Just X, your theories intrigue me and I'd like to buy your newsletter.

Seriously, you've eliminated with two posts every issue I had (except for the ones about the unresolved story lines, which, as I've said, I've recanted from since they were ... unresolved).

The TS connection makes sense, even though I recall River saying something about only living tissue going through the portal - but if metal could go through why didn't they take the gun? Unless it would be useless because of all the non-metal parts.

I like the theory about chess. It makes a certain kind of paranoid sense that I can completely grok.

MouseSlayer, I can follow and somewhat agree with your "can't change the events but mitigate the damage" theory. But then you would have to accept the concept of Manifest Destiny and/or predestination. Which means that fate does not exist, and the only choices we have are to destroy everything now or later, and how bad it's going to be. If that was a theory we could all accept, the practical uses would be beneficial - for instance, we would no longer be responsible for cheating on our loved ones - it was going to happen, we just had to choose the least damaging way of doing it ... . I think this is the point where I draw that line, myself. Maybe the main events of history are the nexus of destiny that all paths lead to, but the journey is within our control?

Chronicles Star Says Series Renewed by Fox

Written by: Michael Hickerson (SoSF Staff Journalist)

While there's been no official word yet from Fox on whether or not "Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles" will get a second season, unofficial word from one of the show's stars can be seen as a positive.

Actor Thomas Dekker, who plays John Connor on the show, recently told E! On-Line's "According to Kristen" column that producers are meeting with FOX and pitching stories for a second season. There were also unnamed sources that the second season will go into production this summer and hit airwaves this fall.

While this could be seen as positive news, we must caution readers that FOX's position is that we'll find out about a second season of the show at the upfronts in May and that no official decision has been made.

Well, FOX is the Most Canceled Network, so about the only thing to do is wait and see.

And don't get your hopes up. Firefly, anyone?

Here is the three minute clip that they read my email on... it's funny.  Enjoy

http://www.christrocks.com/forum/terminator.mp3 (http://www.christrocks.com/forum/terminator.mp3)

More Positive Signs for TSCC

Story submitted by: Tim J Mapes (SoSF Fan)

According to TV Guide's Michael Ausiello, things are looking up for fans of the recent Fox show, "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." "It looks like she'll be back," he said.

Ausiello states that the producers have been told they can begin lining up directors for the first trio of episodes of Season 2.

"While this is no guarantee that SCC is returning , it's obviously a very good sign," Ausiello said.

Of course, Fox continues to deny any progress has been made. "No decision about a second season has been made yet," said a spokesperson for the network.

they're being stubborn, i have a 4 year old that acts similarly. doesn't want to admit when someone else is right.

hmmm this is interesting...

Enitech's Open Source Research - Gardner Project Discussion

Story submitted by: Chris Parker (SoSF Contributor)

IS IT REAL or MEMOREX? — The Machines Are Coming!

It looks as though the machines are coming sooner than we thought. Enitech Labs recently developed a camera that uses tachyon technology to allow users to photograph the future.

After using the camera the image is processed, revealing the same scene time-shifted by 3 years and 3 days into future. The website contains videos and a blog that chronicles the initial testing of this technology and some startling results, primarily a photo of San Francisco that suggest that the city will be destroyed, that have placed all people involved at risk.

Their website seems to be a tie-in with the Fox Channel's "Terminator: the Sarah Connor Chronicles." They seem to have gone to a lot effort to set up this site and it tries to tell an intriguing story; perhaps one that will be explored in next season's episodes.

This is the first video of their efforts to date on the Gardner Project. Enitech Research Labs, is looking for users to submit their ideas for images that they can take with their new device. They want to solicit your comments as to what sort of discoveries they can uncover with their device and how to avoid the "observer effect."

There are six videos.. it's must be a viral campaign but I haven't heard anything about this. Here are more videos

Allthough Fox declined comment, multiple sources confirm to me exclusively that Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles has been renewed for a second season.

Source: TVGuide.com, Michael Ausiello  :spidey

'Sarah Connor' gets second season

Fox renews sci-fi show for another year
By MICHAEL SCHNEIDER from Variety

"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" has seen the future, and it's on Fox.

Fox has greenlit a second season of the franchise series, picking up 13 episodes for next season. Move wasn't a surprise; Fox has been developing potential companion series to the sci-fi hour-long, and in meetings with advertisers have discussed several potential scheduling scenarios that include the show.

Pickup was also a no-brainer, as "Sarah Connor" reps one of the year's most successful frosh entries - averaging a 4.4 rating and 10 share among adults 18-49, as well as 10.5 million viewers overall.

Series, a spin-off of the successful "Terminator" film franchise, revolves around a woman and her son battling futuristic robots. Lena Headey stars as Sarah Connor, while Thomas Dekker plays her son, John. Richard T. Jones stars as FBI aent James Ellison, while Summer Glau plays Cameron.

Warner Bros. TV is behind "Sarah Connor," which is exec produced by Josh Friedman and John Wirth.

Brian Austin Green Now A 'Sarah Connor' Regular

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Apr-22-2008

Not only is "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" back for a second season on Fox, but now it's getting Brian Austin Green full-time.

The former "Beverly Hills 90210" actor was featured in the first season in the recurring role of Derek Reese, the uncle of John Connor (Thomas Dekker) and brother to Kyle Reese who impregnated Sarah Connor in the original "Terminator" movie in 1984.

Green joins Dekker along with Lena Headey and Summer Glau as series regulars. Headey plays title character Sarah Connor while Glau will continue in her role as the friendly neighborhood Terminator known as Cameron.

Fox, as expected, gave the series a 13-episode initial order, with the possibility of a nine-episode expansion for its second season. The show, while losing more than half of an inflated initial audience (it premiered following playoff football on Fox), "Sarah Connor" remained the top new scripted series among adults between the ages of 18 to 49, according to Fox, a key demographic.

The series is produced by C2 Pictures and Warner Bros. Television with Josh Friedman and John Wirth as executive producers.

It is not clear when the show will return to the schedule as Fox has yet to announce its 2008-09 television schedule.

sweeeeeeet!     :tealc

This sounds like Good news for this show as it won't have to go up against Heroes next season.

"Sarah Connor" will now air Mondays at 8 p.m. ET on Fox's FALL schedule, switching places with "Prison Break," which will now move to 9. It's unclear if such a move will force "Sarah Connor" to tone down some of the violence at all since the FCC has traditionally considered the 8 p.m. hour part of "family viewing time."

Just in case you missed season one this is the time to catch up....

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=45819 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=45819)

Sarah Connor Chronicles Reboots in August
Source: Fox
June 10, 2008

Fox has announced that it is re-airing first season episodes of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" in August:

Take back the first season of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (T:SCC) this August on FOX. Beginning Sunday, Aug. 10 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT), encore episodes of the entire first season of T:SCC will air Sunday through Wednesday from 9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT. The action-packed season finale cliff-hanger that left Cameron's fate unknown will air Sunday, Aug. 24 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT).

The Season One reboot kicks off the countdown to the Season Two premiere Monday, Sept. 8 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.

TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when Sarah (Lena Headey) stops running and goes on the offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on destroying her life, and perhaps the world. Her son, 16-year-old John Connor (Thomas Dekker), is only now taking steps towards embracing his destiny as the future savior of mankind. John finds himself caught between his fearless protector, the sexy but sweet cyborg CAMERON (Summer Glau), and his uncle DEREK REESE (Brian Austin Green) who refuses to accept Cameron as an ally. Former FBI agent JAMES ELLISON (Richard T. Jones) has been transformed into a believer. Accepting Sarah's reality that "no one is ever safe," he's now bent on figuring out his role in this ever-evolving fate.

The T:SCC marathon will feature the following episodes in original air order:

Sunday, Aug. 10 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"Pilot"

In the series premiere, Sarah Connor struggles to keep her son John Connor safe from an enemy Terminator from the future and John makes a surprising discovery about his new friend Cameron.

Monday, Aug. 11 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"Gnothi Seauton"

Sarah makes contact with an old friend to ask a favor, while John decides to pay a visit to Sarah's ex and Cameron makes a new friend. Together they infiltrate a resistance safe house and discover they are not alone.

Tuesday, Aug. 12 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"The Turk"

Sarah pays a visit to Miles Dyson's widow looking for Skynet's creators. Her search leads her to Andy Goode, a cell phone salesman who also happens to also be the inventor of a chess playing computer known as "The Turk."

Wednesday, Aug. 13 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"Heavy Metal"

When Sarah, Cameron and John track down stolen cargo, they become separated from John leading him to discover the future isn't as safe as he had hoped.

Sunday, Aug. 17 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"Queen's Gambit"

When Sarah's friend submits his computer into a chess competition, she revaluates his computer's capabilities and worries where it could all lead. During the chess match, Sarah comes face-to-face with a stranger whose history is closely tied to hers.

Monday, Aug. 18 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"Dungeons and Dragons"

While fighting for his life and moving in and out of consciousness, Derek Reese remembers life in the future and his personal battle against the machines.

Tuesday, Aug. 19 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"The Demon Hand"

When Sarah breaks into Agent Ellison's apartment looking for a missing endo-arm, she discovers dossiers, files and video from her stay in the mental hospital. The files lead her to hospital psychiatrist Dr. Silberman, a doomsday convert who made Sarah's hospital stay unbearable.

Wednesday, Aug. 20 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"Vick's Chip"

John defends Cameron against a damning accusation by Derek while Sarah gets too close to a Terminator.

Sunday, Aug. 24 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

"What He Beheld"

Sarah and Derek attempt a business transaction with a questionable man, while John and Cameron find themselves in a precarious situation during a school trip. Meanwhile, Agent Ellison discovers a nemesis at the agency.

Glad to see that the series is continuing.  At least we'll have something to help take the edge off during BSG's hiatus.

Just watched the first episode of the second season.. and WOW.. what an intense episode. And it had the OMG moment at the end... this season is going to be AwESOME!!!!

After watch it, it made me realize how much I missed it... can't wait for next week.

agreed Kenny, wow was right!

Great show tonight. 

It was a cool episode.  Brought up a few questions too.  The big one for me is was Cameron sort of given free will or the ability to alter her programming in the future by John?  Near the end she seems to be able to override her Termination Kill John Connor command - why and how does she do this?  And has she been overriding it from the start?  That's the way it looks to me at least.

This shows seems to be moving a tiny bit into Galactica/Cylon territory.  Giving them emotions, etc.  Should be interesting.

Quote from: Rico on September 09, 2008, 05:02:52 AM
This shows seems to be moving a tiny bit into Galactica/Cylon territory.  Giving them emotions, etc.  Should be interesting.

Well if you go back to Terminator 2 that was a major theme, so it makes some sense. Defintiely interesting.

Gonna be tough for me to go in the Mens Room after that episode!  :jawdrop

Quote from: Metron07 on September 09, 2008, 06:14:58 AM
Gonna be tough for me to go in the Mens Room after that episode!  :jawdrop

Isn't that for sure... ewww.

I think he got the point.

Fox just released this new image/poster today

I like the poster, but the gun doesn't fit in my opinion.  This type of Terminator doesn't really need or usually even use a gun.  As was shown quite graphically in last night's episode.

Quote from: Rico on September 09, 2008, 10:55:41 AM
I like the poster, but the gun doesn't fit in my opinion.  This type of Terminator doesn't really need or usually even use a gun.  As was shown quite graphically in last night's episode.

So noted, however people that don't watch the show don't know that.

To be honest, I am not sure how I felt about the Terminator episode. It seems like the Story could get a whole lot more complex, with a lot of Terminators around now.

The scene when they had Cameron in between the trucks before they took her chip out, I am not sure about. If she was telling the truth or just tricking them, either way, it seems out of character for a Terminator.

I am excited for the new episodes, but seems like they took a big step in story, and not one I was expecting.

Quote from: jedijeff on September 09, 2008, 09:24:28 PM
I am excited for the new episodes, but seems like they took a big step in story, and not one I was expecting.

Isn't that a good thing Jeff??

Quote from: jedijeff on September 09, 2008, 09:24:28 PM
To be honest, I am not sure how I felt about the Terminator episode. It seems like the Story could get a whole lot more complex, with a lot of Terminators around now.

The scene when they had Cameron in between the trucks before they took her chip out, I am not sure about. If she was telling the truth or just tricking them, either way, it seems out of character for a Terminator.

I am excited for the new episodes, but seems like they took a big step in story, and not one I was expecting.

How did it seem out of place to you? For me it made perfect sense. Machines designed to kill by looking human and Cameron taking that to the next step by using mental manipulation. She did the same thing the very first episode then seemed to devolve a bit. This actually worked great for me.

What if she does love him and is fighting her programming not to kill him? She might have even felt some remorse at the acts she did because of her end reaction.

I loved the scene with Cameron between the trucks.  Very emotional.  I think they are really trying to show John develop into the person and leader he has to become.  He took charge in this episode and I really enjoyed that.  One of my favorites of the series so far.

I guess for me, Cameron telling John she loved him, just seemed to go past how I felt a Terminator would react. Maybe I have to much Arnie on the mind, and just need to get past that cool emotionless Terminator that we have seen in the Movies. I knew at some point that this Love thing between the two would come up, I just did not think it would be so soon, and Cameron being the one to say it. I did see elements of John becoming a leader he is meant to be in this episode, which I liked very much.

I guess as for story wise, I was not expecting more Terminators to start showing up so soon. Not a bad thing, just I guess I was still in last seasons thinking , and had not really considered then expanding the story so much. All in All I am happy with the first epsiode, just surprised a bit.

I think that Cameron's pleading with John while she was pinned between the trucks was a ploy-- She was still in "kill mode" and was playing on his emotions to convince him to let her go.  If he had given in, she would have ended him.

Cameron in her "right mind" wouldn't try to play on John's attraction to her.  Remember what she said to Sarah after John repaired her chip?  Something like "If I go bad again and he tries to spare me, don't let him."   

Fox Close To Terminating 'Sarah Connor'

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Sep-30-2008

With ratings far below even the network's worst predictions, Fox could pull the plug on production for "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" as early as this week.

The network has been disappointed by "Sarah Connor's" numbers so far this season, and some executives feel that the show is dragging down numbers for "Prison Break," which airs as a lead-out.

"Audiences just aren't responding to the show," a Fox source tells SyFy Portal. "Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet."

This would be bad news for "Sarah Connor," which had a strong first season despite airing just nine episodes in light of the Writers Guild of America strike. The show debuted at mid-season with an 11.1 rating/16 share -- the highest premiere of any genre show last season -- following an NFL playoff game, but quickly lost a good portion of its audience. By the time it was all said and done, "Sarah Connor" overnights averaged a 5.6/9, half of the premiere audience, with ratings reaching as low as a 4.5/7 at once point.

Getting a 4.5/7 could almost be a lifesaver for "Sarah Connor" right now, as the show hasn't even come close to reaching that number. After four episodes, the highest "Sarah Connor" has reached is a 4.1/6, and is averaging a 3.7. That's 34 percent off its audience average from the previous year.

Audience stability has been slightly better than it was last year following the series premiere spike, but stability so far this year has been slipping for "Sarah Connor." Its Stability Index Rating, as determined by SyFy Portal using a comparison of its season high versus its average overnight rating, gave "Sarah Connor" a 50.5 -- by far the worst of any show last season. This year, however, it's at a much better 90.2 rating, but has been steadily becoming more and more unstable each week.

So what will happen?

"All I can say is that production will likely stop, and I would think that Fox might try to air some of the episodes already in the can," the source said. "But I don't know. They don't want to lose 'Prison Break,' so there could be some schedule shuffling in the future."

Of course, none of this has been confirmed by Fox, so treat this as rumor.

I honestly stopped watching before the last episode from the first season. I never got into any major arc like LOST had that just keeps sucking me in. I made my wife watch it for a while who is a SciFi fan but she gave up earlier than I did. It makes me soo mad that show like Firefly that was FAR superior to this show got cancelled also though :(

That is disappointing, and certainly seems like the writing is on the wall. I hope they try this in a different time slot before giving up on it. I wish when they develop these shows, that they would realise that some of these shows just do better on Cable channels, as they might not appeal to a wide audience, and go the cable route instead of network TV.

Quote from: Blackride on October 01, 2008, 05:19:50 PM
I honestly stopped watching before the last episode from the first season. I never got into any major arc like LOST had that just keeps sucking me in. I made my wife watch it for a while who is a SciFi fan but she gave up earlier than I did. It makes me soo mad that show like Firefly that was FAR superior to this show got cancelled also though :(

x2

Quote from: jedijeff on October 01, 2008, 06:12:22 PM
That is disappointing, and certainly seems like the writing is on the wall. I hope they try this in a different time slot before giving up on it. I wish when they develop these shows, that they would realise that some of these shows just do better on Cable channels, as they might not appeal to a wide audience, and go the cable route instead of network TV.

I'm with you Jeff.  While FOX has dumped other great shows better than this one, it doesn't make it any easier to take.  As I've said before it's kind of getting to the point of making me not want to start watching anything new.  Oh well.

I think we all predicted this. 

About the show from this week-  I thought it was very interesting.  It really brought a lot more insight into Summer's character.  John sure is a moody guy.  Geez.  :)

Yep - we did.  I was actually somewhat surprised it came back this year.  The show has a tricky thing to pull off since they can't really change things too much from what we know will happen.  Well, it's not officially over yet.  I do hope if that does happen they get a chance to wrap things up a bit.

This whole thing of canceling a show before it hits it's stride is what I was talking about on the Fringe thread when I said we (Tam and I) where very upset with the cancellations from last year acerbated by the writers strike.

You'd think with cable, mobile phone, and sites like Hulu and such the ratings business model would have modified somewhat by now and that there would be more alternatives to cancellation once a show has some sort of audience. Kenny, I'm sure you're able to know more about this business aspect than I. The show did seem to be designed to appeal mostly to a younger audience with a very short attention span.  Maybe if they get Linda Hamilton to do a sister or mother character to Sarah to get some of the early fans back. These are just ideas, I'm not a writer or a studio exec. If there is a actor's strike, I guess it curtains.

Pity.

Quote from: moyer777 on October 02, 2008, 08:09:17 AM

About the show from this week-  I thought it was very interesting.  It really brought a lot more insight into Summer's character.  John sure is a moody guy.  Geez.  :)

Yeah, I have noticed this season that John has been more like a teen then he was last year. With meeting that girl, it seems like he has more on his mind then saving humanity.  It is nice to see them expanding the characters a bit more.
I liked that backstory on Cameron as well, certainly adds a lot to her character, and makes what happend in the season opener more interesting to me.

Hopefully this will hold on, or at least like Rico says, at least tie up the story somewhat.

Yeah I really hope the season ends and if they finished the season to wrap up the story, and if you watch the Terminator 4 trailer and then look at Bale then look at Dekker ( the current John) they look almost like father and son or older and younger john especially with the current hair...

I think Sarah Connor Chronicles is really doing a good job this season and it must really be leaving an impact on me cause last night I had a dream that I was John Connor. To be honest that was a lot of fun, like the best dream ever, except for the end of humanity thing.

I was listening to the podcast today, and I was reminded of an article that I found the other day.  Apparently Terminator:TSCC has been picked for a full season.  Good news, I think.  :)

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/fox-picks-up-te.html (http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/fox-picks-up-te.html)

Whoo hoo.. I had read that they ordered more scripts.. this is even better news...

It just goes to show that ratings are not the end all be all of a show's fate.  What the executives like or don't like comes in to play too.  Unfortunately most of the time they seem to not like SF much.  I guess we got lucky on this one - for now.

Personally, I think this was a big factor in keeping show around...

I just found this other cool picture of Summer and had to share it....

Last night's show was pretty cool.  It was so fascinating to start to put the human factor into the story.  I mean, we watch shows and we see things that happen every week, but this time we started to see the emotional toll, or lack of, that it puts on the characters.  They became much more real in this episode.  I really enjoyed watching the Mommy terminator trying to be more loving to her "daughter"  wow.  Good show, good action and a very fun set up for the Turk.

They keep holding back and I think they need to learn from heroes.  In today's TV world, it's always a sweeps week!

I liked the last episode too.  Spoilers...............


I had always thought it was John that had killed that guy.  And it obviously has been bothering him - a lot.  Interesting and cool show still.

Yes, it was a cool episode. I did not realize John was carrying so much baggage. Looking forward to the next few episodes as the story sure feels like it is going somewhere now. Looking forward to seeing Agent Ellison dig deeper into the company that he is working for now.

Just a thought on being picked up, I wonder if it has anything to do with the Movie coming out. Maybe they felt if they had Terminator on TV, that it will increases interest for the movie. As well maybe they felt if they cancelled the series, it might reflect poorly on the franchise and the movie coming out.

Quote from: jedijeff on October 22, 2008, 06:12:43 PM
Just a thought on being picked up, I wonder if it has anything to do with the Movie coming out. Maybe they felt if they had Terminator on TV, that it will increases interest for the movie. As well maybe they felt if they cancelled the series, it might reflect poorly on the franchise and the movie coming out.

I think you hit the nail on the head, man.  And I'm glad they decided to continue; this series is getting better with each episode!

Quote from: RicoI really enjoyed watching the Mommy terminator trying to be more loving to her "daughter"  wow.

Yeah; that was pretty cool.  I was wondering what the deal with the little girl was.  At first I thought that she might be some type of 'mini-terminator'.  The truth turned out to be much, much scarier.  The "mom-inator" is turning out to be a really frightening character.  This episode had what has got to be one of the creepiest scenes I've seen on a TV show in a long time:

Mom-inator- "One of my most vivid memories from childhood was writing on butcher's paper from my dad's shop.  I just loved the smell."

Doc- "Really?  What did it smell like?"

Mom-inator- "Cow's blood."  :eekout

I'm sorry to even ask such a thing but I just have to know if I'm the only one who has had this thought.....  In the first episode, a teenaged boy gets a robot that looks like a hot human female around the same age that is anatomicly correct in every way.  I thought, ummm, I s this going where I think this is going?  And then thought it was a more weird when he time travled naked with his mother and this hot female robot.

Anyone check out this week's episode?  Pretty cool stuff.  The cat-and-mouse between Chromartie (sp?) and the Connors was very well written and acted.. a real tense couple of scenes.  I can't figure out why Ellison would be targeted for termination, though.  Isn't he indirectly working for Skynet right now?

I liked the episode too.  I get the feeling that there are maybe different factions of Terminators in the future.  Maybe some of them want Ellison dead.

Terminator Civil War.. Sounds like a cool idea.  If I'm following the story correctly so far, Weaver (the T-1001) is trying to nurture an 'infant' version of Skynet, or a Skynet progenitor.  Perhaps Ellison will potentially threaten the progress of her program, resulting in a possible schism in the Machine Intelligence of the future?

Speaking of Ellison, I forget- why exactly is she hiring him?  To keep tabs on a possible wild-card in the Time War?  Or is she trying to see if he has connections to the Connors as well?

I wonder about Ellison as well, you would think if Weaver views him as a threat, she would just kill him, so she must need him for something else. Certainly a lot going on, and more then just the Connors.

I liked this last episode as well.  Great writing and acting this week.  Man it was so tense when the girlfriend was talking to the terminator... I thought we'd see the shotgun go into action!

What did you think about this week's episode in Mexico? 

What a cool way to do the show from the different perspectives, and wow, great episode.  Very action packed and the story is going to somewhere wild!

I really enjoyed the episode.  It seems like they are getting better and better as the show progresses.  And now that it has been picked up for the complete season, I am looking forward to more of the same.

I really like Ellison in this episode and I feel like the relationship between John and the girl is believable -- how can John appreciate saving humanity without experiencing what it means to be human and experience something more than just fear and anxiety.  I am not sure I believe Cromartie is dead.  I thought his model had multiple chips so if they only removed one....

Personally, I think they should keep John going to the psychiatrist.  It would give us an insight into his mind/perspectives and help keep him sane.  And it provides the eventual gateway into the Connors finding out about the T1000.

-Rick

I thought it was kind of a rip off of vantage point.  But that was ok.  I would like to see it pushed further on.

Which was a rip off of about a hundred other movies up to and including the ending of Clue.

Just finished watching the last 3 episodes (8, 9, and 10).  WOW. An interestingly constructed, action-packed pay-off episode (Ep. eight), a head-scratcher that touched on the paradox inherent in time travel (ep. 9), and a fairly large reveal in episode 10.  This show is rapidly becoming one of my favorites since BSG took a break.  Anyone else still watching it? 

I'm still watching and digging it!  EXCELLENT!  I think the John character is doing great, and with his girlfriend being what she is..  wow!  This is going to get complicated quickly.

Yep; the reveal on his girlfriend caught me by surprise!  I'm kinda worried about Sarah though-- it looks like she's starting to loose it.

I am still avidly watching the show.  I cannot believe that Ellison will still work with the company after having seen Cromartie's body being used by the Turk.  Without his original chip, I am assuming that the Turk is using the body but that his A.I. is still stored in the computers behind him.  Yo Ellison! Wake up, dude!

So who does everyone think the girlfriend really is?  What is her mission?

Jessie must be in an alternate reality because if John sent Cameron to the past, how can she possibly still be in the future?  I do not buy that aspect of the paradox.  Or maybe Jessie came to the past from a point in the future that was before Cameron got sent back... (ouch, brain hurts)

If Cameron is damaged now, wouldn't that mean her future self (in the timeline prior to her being sent back) would also now be damaged?  Kinda like in Timecop?

The scene with Cromartie/Turk was uber-creepy.  I'm guessing Ellison's first instict will be to react with outrage, but that he'll get sucked in by the prospect of trying to instill some morals in the Turk.

That, or the Red-haired terminator is going to kill him.

About the girlfriend; it seems like she's a traumatized future orphan that somehow got sucked into Jessie's crowd.  The fact that Reese doesn't recognize her as being from the future, plus the fact that he didn't remember the torture by the West Wing guy, seems to support the hypothesis that Jessie and the Girlfriend come from an alternate future (now my brain hurts).  Her mission:  To drive a wedge between John and Cameron, and facilitate Jessie's termination of Cameron.  All of this to prevent the John from their future from being Terminator-whipped by Alternate Future Cameron.  I think.   :-\

Wow, best episode in a while.  Good stuff, check it out if you missed it.

Also,

Liked the John fight.  Good stuff.

And the "No computer generated crap you see today"  I agree

The only thing I don't get is when/why did Camron befriend the guy in the records office?

I suppose she has been doing research trying to find other anamolies that could indicate another SkyNet intrusion from the future.

Quote from: RickPeete on December 02, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
I suppose she has been doing research trying to find other anamolies that could indicate another SkyNet intrusion from the future.

Makes sense to me.  And it was a little chilling to see how easily she moved on from the sick guy to his replacement. 
By the way; who was the politician guy she "saw" the terminator killing at the podium?  I feel like I missed something...

That was a cool episode, I liked the twist how the Terminator finished building the Hotel to make sure the future would play out, liked how he hid in the wall for all those years, very patient lol

Ok, I'm all caught up on the show.  Just watched the most recent one last night.  I'm liking the series more, but each week it seems there are more questions.

1) What is up with Riley and Jesse?  What's their plan??
2) What is up with Cameron?  Does she have an agenda or just broken?
3) WAKE UP Ellison!
4) The T-888 that ended up back in the 1920's was sent to kill someone in 2010.  Who was he suppose to kill and why?  And what year are they in?  2008??
5) What do the three dots mean?

Again, still enjoying the series but things are getting a bit confusing.  I think the idea of the series is the future isn't fixed.  Where the movies were generally about just protecting John Connor, the series seems to be trying to rewrite the future.  Stop Skynet from ever happening.  I'm curious at how all this will play out.

I just got done watching the latest episode.  It was kind of cool, kind of like cold case meets terminator.  Cool scenario, but yes Rico, more questions than answers.  ugh!  I am enjoying it, but I don't trust Riley!

I saw that House is taking Sara Conner's timeslot.  Which I think is a mistake as a fan of both show.....  But do we know where Sara Conner's new timeslot is yet?

Quote from: AlanP on December 11, 2008, 05:57:50 PM
I saw that House is taking Sara Conner's timeslot.  Which I think is a mistake as a fan of both show.....  But do we know where Sara Conner's new timeslot is yet?

I think it's moving to Fridays after the Holidays.

Yep - going to the graveyard day of Friday.  They are planning on pairing it up with the new "Dollhouse" show from Joss Whedon.

The last episode was pretty cool, but "huh?" I mean, I really liked getting to see more of the girlfriend's backstory, and I'm enjoying the storyline with Ellis, the "baby computer", and the Chromarity Puppet.  But I'm kind of stuck on the 3-Dot plotline.  Is Sarah going nuts?  Are there some Judgement-Day type Hunter-Killers flying around in the Present Day?  And what is the organization behind the Mystery Drones? 

Really looking forward to the continuation of the series...

yeah, it was a good last episode.  I really liked all that you just mentioned.  I am curious as to what is going on with Sarah.  Should be cool!

Yes great episode, liking all the storylines. Interested a lot with the Jesse/Riley storyline. Sarah and her fascination with the 3 dots and where that is leading her is great as well.

since I have not posted in awhile

The mexico episode shoot out was AWESOME I loved every second

The Riley reveal, I saw something of that sort happening but was still a shocker

also what is the "triple 8" or is it "triple A"? I really want to know

I really enjoyed tonight's episode.  I enjoyed the pre-turk playing with toys, surfing the net and discovering his boss's true identity.  Interesting comments about God from the Turk, and reactions of Ellison.  Wow, the scene at the warehouse was pretty intense.  Good to see Trip again.  :)  Anyway, it certainly came back full steam.  Not enough of Cameron or John on this one.

Yes, I really liked the episode as well. It felt creepy how much John Henry was learning through the Internet, and how much he knew about everyone. I really like Agent Ellison, just the look on his face, he looks like he has a lot of burden and pain. The female Terminator Catherine is one dangerous Terminator, she made short work of that warehouse. I found the twist with Trip's character kind of interesting, did not see that one coming. I wonder if they cast Connor in that role since he was so likeable in Enterprise, that at the end of the episode it would be a bit more shocking. I was sort of hoping that maybe he might be on for more episodes, as it felt like a bit it might be longer, but no. Super cool episode, looking forward to next week.

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since I have not posted in awhile

The mexico episode shoot out was AWESOME I loved every second

The Riley reveal, I saw something of that sort happening but was still a shocker

also what is the "triple 8" or is it "triple A"? I really want to know

Triple 8 is the T-888 model of terminator. Possibly a step up from the 850.

Yep, another good episode.  I hope this show does ok on Friday nights.  I think they've been having some strong episodes.  The actors are all universally good on the show too.

I have to agree with you there Rico. I'm really happy to see Jonathan Jackson getting such meaty role.

Quote from: Just X on February 14, 2009, 10:24:04 PM
I have to agree with you there Rico. I'm really happy to see Jonathan Jackson getting such meaty role.

??  Are you talking about Joshua Jackson who plays Peter over on Fringe?

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Quote from: Just X on February 14, 2009, 10:24:04 PM
I have to agree with you there Rico. I'm really happy to see Jonathan Jackson getting such meaty role.

??  Are you talking about Joshua Jackson who plays Peter over on Fringe?

Nope. Jonathan Jackson, from Tuck Everlasting and the first Luck Spencer from General Hospital is playing Kyle Reese, John's father. At first it was only in the flash forwards, but this last episode, he was there almost the entire show as part of Sarah's delusion.

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Quote from: Just X on February 14, 2009, 10:24:04 PM
I have to agree with you there Rico. I'm really happy to see Jonathan Jackson getting such meaty role.

??  Are you talking about Joshua Jackson who plays Peter over on Fringe?

Nope. Jonathan Jackson, from Tuck Everlasting and the first Luck Spencer from General Hospital is playing Kyle Reese, John's father. At first it was only in the flash forwards, but this last episode, he was there almost the entire show as part of Sarah's delusion.

Ahhh, I see.  Didn't really know who that was - until now.

So what are the odds this show gets a third season?

If not I hope they tie up the loose ends.

This last one finally gets back on track.  Good story but no action.  Hope that's coming.

much better episode this week.  I really love the plot line now.  The hide and seek thing was cool.

I liked it too.  But I'm really, really tired of that Jessie girl.  She is nuts and needs to be found out about by the others.  Ellison is still one cool cat.

Yes, super cool episode. Jessie is crazy, but I am interested to find out what happens with the sub. John Henry is one creepy terminator.

yeah, the sub story line was a nice touch.  Cool metal dude in the control room.

This week's SCC was great.

[spoiler]
I enjoyed the Turk interaction with Ellison this week.  The machine is getting smarter and smarter.
Wow, John is not as "in the dark" as we thought.
Really enjoyed the submarine storyline this time.
Then end scene was very touching and you really start to feel the weight on John. 
Great stuff, I felt like a lot of things are now starting to be explained and I understand everything better.
I really dig this show.

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I agree Rick, great episode
[spoiler]The sub story was great, really helped explain Jesse's mission to me. I had to think about it for a bit after the episode ended, but I could see why Jesse came back, and why she wanted to split John and Cameron up. I liked how they left it as well, not really sure what exactly Derek did.
I like as well, that John is starting to emerge as a future leader[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I loved this episode. I really hope jesse was shot
The sub was awesome I wonder if the liquid metal will do anything, become Shirley Manson maybe?[/spoiler]

Tonight's episode was absolutely incredible.  I was glued to my T.V.

[spoiler]Every storyline was excellent, there was action, mystery, the whole robot interaction, moral dilemna and more!  Then I was blown away when Sarah walked out of the doors at the movie theater.    When the Scottish song started up I was like  what?  And then when it cut to John Henry and little Savannah, it was ... not just eerie, but emotional to me.  At first I thought, "what a strange song" and then it all came together.   They have really outdone themselves with this particular episode.  I can't wait to see what they do with the season finale.  Does anyone know if it is coming back next season?[/spoiler]

Awesome Episode, just blew me away. I am so looking forward to next week

[spoiler]I was completely surprised when Derek got killed, no build up or anything, just one fast scene and he was shot and gone. Was not expecting that at all. I have no idea what to think of John Henry or Weaver for that matter, there purpose is a real mystery to me. I found it interesting how she told Ellison that she valued John Henry over Savannah, and how John Henry is important for everyones Survival.[/spoiler]

Great episode.  This series has been really strong this season and deserves to continue.  No word on a renewal yet, but it hasn't been canceled - so there is hope.

[spoiler]I was shocked by Derek's death too.  I think they are trying to make a point with this and with Charlie and Riley on the series.  Death can come anytime - anywhere and it's very dangerous to be around John Connor.  Does anyone think that Savannah might be a machine too?  I'm not sure, but she just seems a bit odd.  The stuff with John Henry and her is very interesting. [/spoiler]

Looking forward to next week's season finale.

Quote from: Rico on April 04, 2009, 05:15:29 AM
Great episode.  This series has been really strong this season and deserves to continue.  No word on a renewal yet, but it hasn't been canceled - so there is hope.

[spoiler]I was shocked by Derek's death too.  I think they are trying to make a point with this and with Charlie and Riley on the series.  Death can come anytime - anywhere and it's very dangerous to be around John Connor.  Does anyone think that Savannah might be a machine too?  I'm not sure, but she just seems a bit odd.  The stuff with John Henry and her is very interesting. [/spoiler]

Looking forward to next week's season finale.

Yes, I am sure hoping it gets picked for another season as well
[spoiler]I agree about Derek's death, and how it fits a pattern of deaths of people who are around John Connor, and who were important and close to him. I am not sure what Savannah is, but she seems to be of some importance, if that other Terminator was coming after her. She has certainly made a strong bond with John Henry, and him trying to save her was very interesting. Throughout the epsiode, he concern was mostly for her safety.[/spoiler]

Yes, a very good episode after a few slow ones.

What if John Connor is dead in the future and John Henry is the one that's fighting Skynet, using his name?

Just food for thought.

Quote from: Just X on April 04, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
What if John Connor is dead in the future and John Henry is the one that's fighting Skynet, using his name?

Just food for thought.

That would be a cool twist.  Based on what I've seen in the trailer, I guess it's even possible that future 'john connor' is a cyborg and doesn't even know it.

Finally had time to check out last Friday's episode.

HOLY @#$*!!!  :o

Looks like the metal is really going to hit the fan next week. 

Yep - this series has really rocked lately.  Next week's looks awesome!

Season finale tonight! 

WOWWOWOWOW!!!!

Quote from: Rico on April 10, 2009, 06:25:27 PM
WOWWOWOWOW!!!!

That's what I said!  Kudos to the writers for producing a twist that I didn't see coming! [spoiler] I was certain that Weaver was a bad-guy!! [/spoiler]

I almost felt physically distressed at the end of the episode.  So many promising storylines were presented, and I'm kind of worried that the show won't continue to explore them. 

[spoiler] So it looks like alternate-future Cameron is human!?!  I wonder what connection that future has to the one John was fighting against?  And why did John Henry or Weaver or Terminator Cameron or whoever decide to go to that future?  And Kyle Reece alive? What happened to the John Connor of this timeline? [/spoiler]

So many questions!!!  I Need answers!!!

Wow As well, Fantastic. I am worried as well that this may be the end of the series. They left it at a point that they could either go on or end it, I really hope they continue.

[spoiler]I think Weaver was the Terminator on the Sub. Took me a few minutes after the episode to work through Derek being there in the future( I guess Kyle for that matter as well), but worked it out in that even though he died in the past, that the Future John traveled to, Derek had not yet left, since Derek's time line was for him to go back to the past later( I actually sort of referencing some of what is on Lost for me to reason it out for myself, so it might not be what the Writers intended). I guess for John, maybe that is how he arrived in the future, is by traveling there, and taking a short cut so to say. None of them had heard of him, so it is reasonable to believe that there is not another John Connor at that time. I guess when the Movie comes out, it might explain it a bit more, depending on the age of John Connor in the movie, the TV version might be a bit to young to coincide with the movie. I think I will stop there, as I will just confuse myself  :D

***I guess though that theory could be wrong in that it would discount T3, but it is sure fun to speculate.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]

I feel a bit vindicated with my whole theory about the T-1000 and John Henry being against Skynet. While it hasn't come to the death of John Connor, I'm enjoying what I see.

I think at some point John is going to go back and grow up to be John. When John left the timeline, he altered history and needs to go back to become John. There was always a human Cameron as well, she was killed by the Cameron terminator in one of the flash forward episodes. I didn't think that some of my theories would pay off so soon, but I'll go back to the skype call and see if I was on point.[/spoiler]

That was such an awesome episode!  The last two were some of the best science fiction tv I have seen in some time.  GOOD STUFF.  I'm talking about it on Take Him With You on Sunday.... I just have to! :)  I'll be back.

Lots to think about....

[spoiler]I agree with a lot of what is being said.  I think John Connor went to the future before either Kyle or Derek went to the past.  Now this is where it gets tricky.  Did John C. alter the future already by leaving the past and moving to the future?  Or if he does return to the past, is his future self already there in the future currently with a younger version of himself around?  I know, it gets confusing.  I don't get why John Henry decided to go to the future.  Wouldn't be easier to stop Skynet in the past before Judgment Day?  As far as Cameron, I'm not sure the one we see in the future at the end of the episode is not a machine.  Seems to me that she could be the very one that John sent back originally.  Maybe the young John is the one to tell her to go to the past. 

One thing that kind of bugs me.  If the show doesn't get renewed they really left a big cliff hanger ending.  And I won't be happy about it if the show doesn't come back.[/spoiler]

Quote from: Rico on April 11, 2009, 06:07:35 AM
Lots to think about....

[spoiler] As far as Cameron, I'm not sure the one we see in the future at the end of the episode is not a machine.[/spoiler]

I think that [spoiler] the writers were trying to tell us that she is human by showing her hanging out with the dog.  In the world of Terminator, dogs seem to get really freaked out by the cyborgs-- I think I remember seeing them used as sort of 'terminator detectors' on an earlier episode or movie. [/spoiler] Of course, I could be wrong. 

Great catch on the [spoiler] likelihood that John arrived before Kyle was sent back in time.  I always assumed that Connor was sort of a legend that all of the folks in the resistance knew about since day one.  The fact that the Kyle & Derick we saw last night never heard of him is what threw me.  But I guess we could have been witnessing the beginnings of the John Connor legend.  So; since Kyle hasn't been sent back to save Sarah yet, there is no 'future' John Connor yet, right?  He won't be born until young John sends Kyle back to father him?  [/spoiler]

LOL my head hurts.  :)

:)

Yeah, so many possibilities!

I've read so many stories predicting that it's not coming back.  The finale's low ratings made it extremely unlikely to return, which I doubt counted Hulu, Tivo, and fox.com which is where most people I talk to would watch a show aired on a friday night anyway.  I guess it would kind of make sense to end it where they left it.  Wouldn't be as bad as Kyle XY.

Do you think this was the setup for the movie?  Or do you think the movie will totally ignore the series?  For that matter will it ignore Terminator 3?

TIVO is counted for ratings now as are some other DVR systems.  Not sure about Hulu or other online viewings.  I was actually kind of surprised it came back this season as the ratings were not that great in season one.  So you never know.  I personally don't think the series or movies will intersect much - if at all.

OK, so no one else talked about the one, seemingly controversial, scene and mentioned it.  But ....

[spoiler]how about the part where John is inspecting her insides and on top of her.  Didn't you just get the feeling taht John feels for the Cameron metal and almost kissed her?  That would be a great lead-in for John going forward to the future and meeting the human Cameron and really falling in love with her and having a relationship.  Deus ex machina ex humana or something.  But then she would have to be killed by cyborgs to keep the series on track. [/spoiler]

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Yeah that was like crazy - wow!   :cylon

Well as a male fan of scifi, when I saw that a teenaged boy would be living with a hot anatomicly correct robot, it did make me wonder....  Does this need to be on cable? 

 :(   From Entertainment Weekly- "Scoop: Fox set to terminate 'Sarah Connor Chronicles'" -- LINK to story  (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/04/scoop-fox-set-t.html?iid=top25-Scoop%3A+Fox+set+to+terminate+%27Sarah+Connor+Chronicles%27)

Sad if true.  At least it was fun while it lasted.

GOOD NEWS?!?   :)

Based on what Sarah Connor Chronicles showrunner Josh Friedman, writer Ashley Edward Miller, and actor Brian Austin Green have to say, Entertainment Weekly's story is full of crap. On Twitter, Miller says not to take Entertainment Weekly's Michael Ausiello seriously when he claims the show is already canceled.  After all, he said the same thing before season two, and midway through season two. 

Friedman and Green have also gone on the record with statements that make EW's doom-saying look like nothing but a lot of hot air.

story link- http://io9.com/5213470/dollhouse-and-terminator-really-not-canceled-yet-say-insiders (http://io9.com/5213470/dollhouse-and-terminator-really-not-canceled-yet-say-insiders)

I guess that even FOX is not stupid enough stupid to kill off the show before seeing how Terminator: Salvation does.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Another chance maybe of more Sarah Connor Chronicles....

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026876.html (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026876.html)

I loved this show and was more than a little upset when it was cancelled.  The cast was great and besides a few slower stories, the storylines were great!!! After losing Jericho, Battlestar, the Unit and TSCC I think i am giving up on TV.  I will stick with re-runs!!!  A great show and I will miss it

The show wasn't perfect, but I have to say much better than that movie that came out earlier this year!

You can get the Sarah Conor Chronicles now in WalMart as Season 1 & 2 sets for like $15 each, with extra features.  Really enjoying it.  Lena Headey, so much different in this than Game of Thrones.

Gotta love Summer Glau in this series.

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