BSG Season 3- Let's discuss the best show on TV! - some spoilers

[Bryancd]

Agreed, very good episode. I too like the Adama/Rosin relationship and tought the Adama backstory was very good. I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

[Jen]

Agreed, very good episode. I too like the Adama/Rosin relationship and tought the Adama backstory was very good. I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

Wow. Ok...If  you call biting the face of a potential rapist, shooting a traitor,
defiance despite Cylon imprisonment or being an excellent mother weak then I guess she deserves to die.   :D

She's the toughest dame in the fleet and she doesn't need to smoke a cigar to prove it.  :smilie_bleh:

[Elizur]

I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

LOL.  Bryan man what a line. 

We really liked this episode.  My wife would like to see more of Adama/Stands with a Fist but to me that usually ruins the relationship in a TV show.

I like it how it is, just there beneath the surface, kinda like Calvin and Suzy Derkins. 

[MrOsterman]

She's the toughest dame in the fleet and she doesn't need to smoke a cigar to prove it.  :smilie_bleh:

I think that's what I like about her too.  She's got a quiet resiliance.  Some have to be out there "being manly" while Calli just gets the job done.  I also feel for her because she never wanted a military carreer, though that career probably saved her life.

What I thought was good about this episode was that it wasn't all about Athena's flying or the plan to save them, but they put a lot of focus on the Cheif's love for her.  I thought that was well done.

Mr. O

[Darth Gaos]

Tonight's episode was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better! Very well written! But I'm fearing the "brig" scene I saw in the preview. Chief and Cally just went above and beyond in tonight's episode and next week Cheif will be tossed in the brig for treason?   :D

Arhhhh....must...give...next...episode...a...chaaance....before...I...criticize....agh!   ;)

COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!! I am having a real hard time not criticizing either but....I am REALLY NOT looking forward to next weeks episode for a couple of reasons. 

First off, Jen you nailed it...Chief and Cally are the central GOOD/sympathetic characters this week and next week they are mutineers???? HUH??? 

Second, the premise (based on the preview) strikes me as utterly out of character for both and just downright ludicrous.  Chief and Cally are core members of the New Caprica resistance and have many, many reasons to hate Baltar.  But all of a sudden Cally is smitten with Karl Marxs'...uh I mean Baltar's pseudo-Communist Manifesto....GIVE ME A BREAK ::)

Finally, and many might site circumstances as a reason but Chief and Cally are members of the military and I have a hard time seeing actions like this out of seemingly stables members of the military.  If you join the military (10 year vet of the USAF myself) and you are enlisted then you realize that the officers are "above you"...period....chain of command, all that nonsense. Military members do NOT look at officers as the "ruling class" or if they do it is most certainly NOT from the standpoint of, again, what can only be described as a Communist Proletariat versus Bourgeois point of view

Again what I saw in the preview just seemed so ABSOLUTELY not in line with the characters as they have been developed thus far. Apparently Galactica is becoming Russia, circa 1917. Sorry for the rant,  Just my 2 cents.

Now, as for last nights episode...great...a 100% improvement over last week.  The rescue was awesome.  The Chief/Cally storyline was great.  I too enjoy the Adama/Roslin storyline, I love Mary McDonnell...I have since I saw her as a teen in a little-known show with Eliot GOuld called ER...looooong before the Michael Crighton series with Clooney, Edwards, Wyle et al.

[Bryancd]

Agreed, very good episode. I too like the Adama/Rosin relationship and tought the Adama backstory was very good. I wish they had killed Cali, I think she is weak.

Wow. Ok...If  you call biting the face of a potential rapist, shooting a traitor,
defiance despite Cylon imprisonment or being an excellent mother weak then I guess she deserves to die.   :D

She's the toughest dame in the fleet and she doesn't need to smoke a cigar to prove it.  :smilie_bleh:

Sorry, I didn't mean weak as in her character is wimpy, I meant it in terms of what I feel she brings to the show. Her character just has never been very interesting to me, even when she was gunning Sharon done in the hallway!

[MrOsterman]

Military members do NOT look at officers as the "ruling class" or if they do it is most certainly NOT from the standpoint of, again, what can only be described as a Communist Proletariat versus Bourgeois point of view

Historically they did becuase they were.

While not a vet myself, let me relate this story from re-eancting.  It's July and I'm at Monmouth Court House.  It's 98 degrees in the shade, there is no wind, it is noon, I'm standing on black asphalt and I'm wearing 3 layers of wool and linen, a black felt hat (thankfully was brimmed and not tricorned) and am standing at attention with a 12 lb musket.

Meanwhile, in the shade, sipping, I kid you not, Iced Tea is our officer.  When our sergeant approached him to ask if we could break ranks and take in some shade, he was rebuffed with a "not now, the battle could start and please keep the men at attention."

I found out later that we were held there for half an hour to "create a realistic experience."

It was realistic enough I don't re-enact any more.

Soooooooooo

I think that considering what everyone in BSG has gone through it's not impossible for some people to start saying "Lookit, enough.  Why should you get a bigger room, more privacy, more booze, more whatever?"  In reality they all need each other to survive and the Protestant Work Ethic and good ol' capitalism can only carry you so far.  The "world" of the characters is crowded, dirty, and undersupplied.

I think it's about time someone says "hey, why are we the little guys here?"

As for Baltar?  Hehe... what a plan.  Before they can try him for treason, he's going to put Roslyn and Adama on trial in the court of public opinion.

Said it once, said it twice, she shoulda airlocked him when she had the chance.

Mr. O

[Darth Gaos]

I understand what you are saying Mr O. but a couple of points if I may.

This isn't the 1770's or the 1860's...this is a civilization that has advanced to the point of having faster than light travel.  The military in this civilization has been around long enough that, to me anyway, a shift in thinking of this magnitude seems...I don't know, just completely out of whack regardless of the circumstances.  And as for the biggest room etc, Chief and Cally seem to have OK quarters judging by Sundays ep...others like Starbuck (an officer btw) have a bunk in a community living area, not any worse than a modern naval vessel.  It just seems like too large a leap in logic for this to be happening in the military at this point.  Now had this been the civilian workforce (and it could possibly be them also) I would understand it better but judging by the preview they are portraying Chief and Cally as being the Lenin/Marx of this particular situation.

Also had this been done PRE-New Caprica I would believe it more than now.  I have a real hard time believing that after what they have been through basically at the hands of Baltar that all of sudden NOW everyone begins buying into his manifesto on the struggle between classes....BALTAR??? the only person people hate more than the Cylons?!??  There had better be a big time difference between last weeks ep and this one or the suspension of disbelief will be too big even for me.

Anyway Mr O I hope you see where I am coming from and I will watch the show but.....I don't know I guess we will see.

[Jen]

While not a vet myself, let me relate this story from re-eancting.  It's July and I'm at Monmouth Court House.  It's 98 degrees in the shade, there is no wind, it is noon, I'm standing on black asphalt and I'm wearing 3 layers of wool and linen, a black felt hat (thankfully was brimmed and not tricorned) and am standing at attention with a 12 lb musket.

Meanwhile, in the shade, sipping, I kid you not, Iced Tea is our officer.  When our seargent approached him to ask if we could break ranks and take in some shade, he was rebuffed with a "not now, the battle could start and please keep the men at attention."

I found out later that we were held there for half an hour to "create a realistic experience."

It was realistic enough I don't re-enact any more.

Hi Mr. O,
Its cool that you were a reenactor, I'm sorry you had to stop. I always thought I would liked to do that...but alas I'm a girl and they don't let girls carry muskets and wear a soldier's uniform. It just wouldn't be realistic.

It sounds like the "officer" you were describing needed to be booted out of the club...and maybe kicked somewhere else a few times really, really hard.  :ohbaby
You made a good point, but I'm not sure that re-enacting is comparable.

People in the military rely on one another. They watch each other's backs, they risk their lives for one another. The military may talk smack about each other but the bond is still there. Ex. the army bad mouth's the airforce but when they get in a bind what do they do? They call for air support and cheer when the "fly boys" pass over head. There's rivalry, I'm sure, but I doubt they look at an officer and say "why do I have to do this and they get to do that?"

My dad was a tank sergent in the army. He had a disdain for a few of the officers who were fresh out of the academy, had no experience and thought they were the "bomb". But dad had a deep respect for the experienced officers who looked out for and cared for their men.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that the officers on Galactica have done nothing to show that they deserve a "mutiny". They've sacrificed as much as the enlisted folks have. They put their necks on the line quite a bit. It doesn't seem realistic that there would be a "class war" on Galatica.

Here's a thought, maybe Cally is suffering from post traumatic stress syndrom. If this show is as realistic as it claims to be, then that should happen to her.  If that's the case then its easier for me to buy the whole "class issue".  I'll give it a chance before I critique next week's show, but it doesn't look promising. I just wanted to say that the relationships between military folks is a different animal.

[jedijeff]

I guess I am in the minority on the Roslyn/Adama relationship  ;D. Jen had mentioned a Picard/Crusher relationship, which I always liked as it never really distracted either character, and added a bit to both characters, and if they did that with Roslyn and Adama that would be fine with me. I guess for me, Adama and Roslyn both have a lot on their plates so to say, and adding in a relationship puts a whole bunch more on top of their characters. I guess for me, the relationships seem better for the more junior cast (i.e Apollo, Starbuck, etc..). I guess with Adama and Roslyn being Major characters in the story, I worry that it could draw away from the some of the other issues occuring on the show. That being said, if they do it and it comes off well, then I will be the first to applaud the writers and producers. I guess I am still stuck in the Star Trek mold of the captain is married to his ship  :)

[Jen]

I guess I am in the minority on the Roslyn/Adama relationship  ;D. Jen had mentioned a Picard/Crusher relationship, which I always liked as it never really distracted either character, and added a bit to both characters, and if they did that with Roslyn and Adama that would be fine with me. I guess for me, Adama and Roslyn both have a lot on their plates so to say, and adding in a relationship puts a whole bunch more on top of their characters. I guess for me, the relationships seem better for the more junior cast (i.e Apollo, Starbuck, etc..). I guess with Adama and Roslyn being Major characters in the story, I worry that it could draw away from the some of the other issues occuring on the show. That being said, if they do it and it comes off well, then I will be the first to applaud the writers and producers. I guess I am still stuck in the Star Trek mold of the captain is married to his ship  :)

That makes sense to me Jeff. If they keep the tension between Roslin and Adama, and don't advance it too much, I'll be happy. I would be worried that if they did get involved the show would "jump the shark" so to speak.

Even though I always wanted Crusher to end up with Picard, I was glad they didn't pair them off on the show. I would like to think they eventually got married and stayed that way, but I dont think they ever did...darn it.

[RickPeete]

Actually, we learned in All Good Things that Picard and Crusher DID finally hook up and got married.  But for some reason they separated (probably due to their responsibilities getting in the way of them 'having' a relationship).

Now of course, since Picard stopped the anomaly, that particular 'future' may no longer be guaranteed...

-Rick

[Rico]

The last few Galactica shows, while interesting, for me haven't been up to their old level of standards.  They seem to be floundering a bit and spending time away from the Cylons for some reason.  While the characters shows are fun, there seem to be too many of them strung together for me.  Also, the Baltar trial thing seems kind of dumb.  They have more than enough evidence to either lock him away forever or just execute him.  They are at war.  I mean Col. Tigh killed his wife for slipping the Cylons one piece of information.  Baltar did a million more bad things than that.  Anyway, I hope Ron Moore tightens things up before the end of the season.    :cylon

[MrOsterman]

I have to agree that given all the things that happened at the hands of Baltar that having people follow him into revolt seems..... odd.

However we also get to see the whole picture.  The crew only sees what's available to them.  Maybe they'll manage to show that what the Chief does is reasonable, or at least understandable.  Heck it could be even worse:  It could be a labor strike that the chief is opposed to but has to lead becuase it's what the majority of his union wants and he's too ... whatever.. to step down from his leadership role.

Have to wait and see.

Mr. O

[Rico]

Where did the idea this upcoming "revolt" is because of Baltar?  I must not of caught that in the preview clip.  I have to say if that's the case it makes no sense at all to me.