BSG Season 3- Let's discuss the best show on TV! - some spoilers

[Rico]

Sorry, for the leader of the military for the last fleet of the human race Admiral Adama is acting like an ass.  I just had to say it that way.  This guy should be better than that.  He needs to be better than that.  I'm starting to root for the Cylons a bit.  But, that might be Ron Moore's overall intention.

[Geekyfanboy]

Well I finally was able to watch the new episode. I don't understand why everyone is getting on Admiral Adama's case. I totally agree with Mr. O "I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship." I didn't find it out of character at all. I'm very much disliking Lee right now. He has turned against his friends and family. I'm so happy that De left him.

This is a time of war, Baltar is guilty, we all know he is. He is not only guilty of the atrocities on New Caprica but he is actually guilty of the destruction of the original colonies. He gave access to Six to take down there defenses. He was only thinking with his "manhood" and not his brain. I feel no pity for Baltar.. he should be dropped out an airlock.

As for Tigh, Tori, and Anders hearing the music I do think they are part of the final five cylons. I think the five are at the nebula and as they get closer they are hearing the music more and more.

[Jen]

Sorry, for the leader of the military for the last fleet of the human race Admiral Adama is acting like an ass.  I just had to say it that way.  This guy should be better than that.  He needs to be better than that.  I'm starting to root for the Cylons a bit.  But, that might be Ron Moore's overall intention.

Woot!

[Jen]

Well I finally was able to watch the new episode. I don't understand why everyone is getting on Admiral Adama's case. I totally agree with Mr. O "I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship." I didn't find it out of character at all. I'm very much disliking Lee right now. He has turned against his friends and family. I'm so happy that De left him.

This is a time of war, Baltar is guilty, we all know he is. He is not only guilty of the atrocities on New Caprica but he is actually guilty of the destruction of the original colonies. He gave access to Six to take down there defenses. He was only thinking with his "manhood" and not his brain. I feel no pity for Baltar.. he should be dropped out an airlock.

As for Tigh, Tori, and Anders hearing the music I do think they are part of the final five cylons. I think the five are at the nebula and as they get closer they are hearing the music more and more.

Hi Kenny, I agree with everything except your opinion of Admiral Adama. I just think it was too abrupt, and calling someone a liar is like spitting in their face where I'm from. Maybe that's why I'm so shocked that someone I thought was so much like my own father, would call his child that. Even if Lee is a screw up and an idiot...he's never been a liar.  It was a very hateful remark.

I think the issue the writers are trying to spell out for us is that Roslyn and Admiral Adama's relationship is coming between father and son. But its too abrupt in my opinion and comes off as out of character. He has lost a son, and a woman he thought of as a daughter...I don't believe the "father of the fleet" would push the only son he has left away from him.

[Jen]

Don't forget, Admiral Adama asked Lee to do this.

Adama never asked Lee to defend Baltar.  He was just supposed to work to set up the system. 
Afterwards, he assigned Lee to be security for Baltar's defense.  That's a long way from assigning him as co-counsel.  I think the admiral was clear about that in the previous episode.

I stand corrected...I can admit it...it was hard...but I can do it.  ;)

[MrOsterman]

Well I finally was able to watch the new episode. I don't understand why everyone is getting on Admiral Adama's case. I totally agree with Mr. O "I think Bill wanted Lee to be interested in the tribunal, but not to stand at Baltar's side.  That Adama is seeing as betrayal.  I think the "liar" comment really wasn't the meat of the issue, it was more of a symptom of their decaying relationship." I didn't find it out of character at all. I'm very much disliking Lee right now. He has turned against his friends and family. I'm so happy that De left him.

Hi Kenny, I agree with everything except your opinion of Admiral Adama. I just think it was too abrupt, and calling someone a liar is like spitting in their face where I'm from. Maybe that's why I'm so shocked that someone I thought was so much like my own father, would call his child that. Even if Lee is a screw up and an idiot...he's never been a liar.  It was a very hateful remark.

I don't see the whole thing with Adama + Rosalin vs Lee thing.  I see it strictly as a "how can you defend Baltar?" from Bill to Lee.  Lee has decided that the most important thing to him is that "the System works as it's designed".  That means that you go up and you embarass, you discredit, you say what ever you have to (within the rule of law) to ensure that the "jury" rules in your favor.

Bill does not have the same love of the system that Lee does becuase he knows how slippery Baltar is, and how bad it is for the fleet either way it works out.  If he's found innocent there's chaos.  If he's found guilty there's chaos.  It's a lose^2 situation.

We can agree to disagree on the Lee/Bill falling out.  I wonder how I'd react if my son declared that he was going to defend a 9/11 terrorist, or a child molestor, etc etc.  Maybe calling Lee a "liar" was over the top.  It's still a rough spot to be in, having your child stand with someone who has sold out the rest of his race time and time again.

Mr. O

[Rico]

The thing that still gets me about this is both the Admiral and Roslyn asked Lee to help on this.  Maybe not to the degree he is helping now, but they pretty much put him into this situation.  And he is doing the best he can.  He is stuck between a rock and a hard place, I think.

After listening to Ron Moore's commentary about this episode I felt a bit better.  He says he is trying to show a messed up relationship - and Lee and his father certainly have that.  But, I still think they both should figure out by now that their personal feelings are messing up the jobs that they do.  And that's a big mistake.  Lee should be CAG - he needs to be CAG.  I just hope we don't see a return to "fat Apollo!"  ;)

[Bryancd]

I thought that scene played out very well. Rather than dwell on the emotional logistics of how these two arrived at this point, I felt very engaged by their mutual anger towards eachother. Adama's "liar" commnet was directed at Lee when Lee denied knowing anything about Tigh's wife's death. Adama assumed Lee knew and that's why he directed the lawyer to go after Tigh on the stand and to drag that up.
This scene also does a great job setting up the Lee as co-counsul in a suit later when he questions Rosalyn and really puts the screws to her. I don't think iether characetr is acting "out" of character at all. Adama is clearly troubled by the direction the trail is heading and the toll it is taking on the people he loves, Lee, Rosalyn, Tigh. Lee has always been conflicted as to what his role is under his fathers command and this seems like a logical direction he would take to try and establish himself and his own sense of right and wrong. A lot of previous episodes have delt directly with this internal struggle Lee has.

[MrOsterman]

A lot of previous episodes have delt directly with this internal struggle Lee has.

Ya know... wasn't Lee all pissed off about having to fly "his fathers" viper for some official thing?  I'm trying to remember the miniseries but I seem to strongly remember that he was not happy at all throughout the entire miniseries and I wonder how much of those emotions are lingering.

Mr. O

[Jen]

A lot of previous episodes have delt directly with this internal struggle Lee has.

Ya know... wasn't Lee all pissed off about having to fly "his fathers" viper for some official thing?  I'm trying to remember the miniseries but I seem to strongly remember that he was not happy at all throughout the entire miniseries and I wonder how much of those emotions are lingering.

Mr. O

I think its obvious that no one here is going to be persuaded by the others' posts. If you think it was a logical progression in the story line, then you'll most likely continue to believe that. To each his own, right? I think its great that we can debate something as trivial as a TV show here and still be cordial to one another. Alot of other forums would flame each other.

As to the issue with Lee not wanting to fly Bill's Viper; I think that was in the first season...they have come a long way in their relationship since then. 

Angela and I were talking about this debate this morning. She brought up a good point. Bill told Ty that he has never been embarrassed by him, and I think he should have said that. Ty needs a good friend right now. Its hard to understand how the same Bill Adama could be so vicious to his son.  Lee wasn't actively defending Baltar when his dad flew off the hammer...he was simply keeping an eye on he and his lawyer. Bill assumed that Lee spilled the beans. My dad always said that "assuming makes an ass out of u and me." Words to live by. I just don't see why Bill would be so venomous to his son at this point...Now, if he had taken this position after Lee cross examined Roslyn that would be a little more understandable. Shoot I wanted to take Lee apart after that. :hate

[Bryancd]

That's why this show is so good, makes you think, makes you angry, makes us all opinionated. I like the story line and I think in the last podcast, it's very clear where Ron Moore's head is at.

[Dan M]

I just hope we don't see a return to "fat Apollo!"  ;)

[MrOsterman]

That's why this show is so good, makes you think, makes you angry, makes us all opinionated. I like the story line and I think in the last podcast, it's very clear where Ron Moore's head is at.

Of particular note in most web discussions is not so much the "agree with me dangit!" as it's "Yeah but I could be right too!" or "Please acknoweldge that my case has merit".

I think a lot of us go round and round not out of a need to convince anyone but just to feel like no one's calling us balmy for thinking the way we do.

As for Adama v Adama:

Putting myself in the Admiral's Seat, he watches his son lean over, whisper something to Lampkin and then Lampkin gets up and pulls out of Tigh the fact that he (Tigh) killed his (Tigh's) wife.

Then Lee comes in and starts asking about the President and denies that he told Lampkin about what Tigh had done.

While it I will grant it was strong, I can understand how he got there with the information infront of him.

You may disagree, but if I had to pick a side, I'm with Bill.

Of course how can you go against the guy who turned around a bunch of high school rejects and taught them enough to all pass the AP Calculus exam?

Mr. O

[Rico]

It's nice we can have a good discussion about this without anyone feeling they aren't entitled to voice their own views.  That's why it's such a great group here on this forum.

Galactica does get me emotional, more than some shows and like Bryan said that's a good thing.  Can't wait to see how the season finishes up!

[Geekyfanboy]

THIS IS AWESOME NEWS!!!

SCI FI Boosts Battlestar Order

SCI FI Channel has increased its episode order for the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica to 22 from the original 13, including a special two-hour extended episode that will air during the fourth quarter of this year and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter. SCI FI made the announcement at its upfront press event in New York on March 21.

Battlestar Galactica will air its season-three finale on March 25 in its regular Sunday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot. Production will begin on the new season in May, with an eye to an early 2008 premiere.