.....i grew up with Captain Kirk as my hero....am i the last?

doc · September 14, 2007, 09:29:36 PM

....this is doc.....i have posted on many boards about Captain James T. Kirk only to be disappointed at the replies.....am i the last fan of Captain Kirk? I grew up with Captain Kirk as my hero....(i am 40 yrs old) Please say it isn't so.....i have come to this place......sacred ground.....to get the opinions of the Star Trek fans themselves.....in my first podcast: Heroes of Science Fiction and Fantasy (i have 7 episodes completed) my first subject was: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan..........for a reason...........(i will start number 8 sometime this week).....but i thought the old Captain Kirk was going to be in the next movie....and was pumped up.....but now....it doesn't look good....a scene between Spock and Kirk sitting in front of the fireplace .....remembering back to the good old days....sits well with me.....I also want to know if anyone has any ideas about how to contact the studio and start a campaign to get the old Kirk in the upcoming movie....that is.... if there are any Kirk fans out there.......i might be a dinosaur and not know it.....for a quick link to the itunes podcast www.heroesofsciencefictionandfantasy.com or to just listen at your computer.....

Ktrek · September 14, 2007, 09:42:00 PM

Doc,

I know you are not alone. There are many, including myself, who view Captain Kirk as a hero and love the character. Sadly, I think that William Shatner is just too old to play Kirk effectively anymore and I think that the character is not defined by the actor portraying the character. What if Shakespeare would no longer be performed because Sir Laurence Olivier had defined roles that now people could not or would not watch anyone else in the role. Well, how ridiculous this would be! Kirk lives and a new generation of fans will hopefully discover this wonderful character created by Gene Roddenberry and brought to life by William Shatner!

Kevin

doc · September 14, 2007, 10:47:42 PM

......i am saying that the scene would be Spock and Kirk as older men sitting by a fireplace....thinking back of the days of old....and then they could flash back and introduce the new cast.....i think that would just be a tip of the hat to the two and add a touch of class to the new movie.....and a passing of the torch....

davekill · September 14, 2007, 11:57:50 PM

That would be great to begin the movie with Shatner and Nimoy, then seque into the story.
If you ever want to see these guys reminiscing about old times get "Mind Meld, secrets behind the voyage of a lifetime". I'm sure a lot of it was loosely scripted - but it's a lot of fun.

My hope with this new movie is that Abrams does not change Kirk's character so much, that us fans of TOS can't recognize him .
Don't get me wrong - I think the world of Picard and Sisko. I couldn't quite figure out Janeway, but Kirk was unique.
Kirk as played by Bill Shatner was an invention of Gene Roddenberry . A character created at the time when Westerns where popular and the good guys always wore the white hats, except "Hopalong Cassidy" that is.
Anyway Shatner's enthusiasm, since of humor and energy made James T. Kirk come to life as a quick witted , two fisted, leader who most always landed on his feet.
Point is, Capt. Kirk was a "tough guy" hero. I liked "Enterprise" for the same reason - because Capt. Archer had to get tougher (and maybe more cynical) as the series progressed.
unfortunately my friend, there are not many help wanted ads nowadays for plain spoken, tough guy heros.
I may be "obsolete" but I miss John Wayne and Hopalong Cassidy too.

Duffster · September 15, 2007, 04:30:26 AM

While growing up i Had three heroes. Number one was Captain Kirk, Number two was John Wayne, and number three was Bugs Bunny! I thought is was cool you mentioned The Duke, davekill. Most people think that those three are a funny selection, but as davekill mentioned, none of the three take any crap, and they almost always land on their feet.

They better not make the new Kirk all emo and stuff. but I am sure they will do a good job.

I agree with you doc, I think the scene you are describing would be great!!

Duffster

Rico · September 15, 2007, 06:02:25 AM

Kirk is definitely a hero of mine, as well as Spock and Dr. McCoy. Basically all of the original cast of TOS characters. I'm a big John Wayne fan too. And probably the other hero for me was Luke Skywalker. Even though I always kind of wanted to be more like Han Solo, Luke was more like me I think. The innocent boy that has responsibilities thrust on him and has to rise to the challenge.

Jen · September 15, 2007, 08:41:52 AM

Kirk was before my time, but I watched him in reruns with my dad. TOS reruns were my introduction to Trek and I loved it despite the generation gap. I was an adolescent when TNG came out and I admire Captain Picard for the same reason you admire Kirk. I agree with you Doc, "The Shat" should be in the movie too.

saunders · September 15, 2007, 09:30:27 AM

You're not alone. Kirk's the man. I'd love to see him be in a cameo in the movie. It sounds like for them to get Nimoy aboard he wants to be more important to the story than just a walk on part (which is why he turned down "Generations"). From what Nimoy and Abrams have been cryptically saying, it does sound like Nimoy plays some kind of important role in the new movie, and the problem was they didn't want to just add Shatner in...they wanted to put him in if he had a meaningful part of the story...which I guess they haven't been able to do yet. The other problem, of course, was his death in Generations, although I think they could easily say that Shatner's role took place prior to the launch of the Enterprise B in "Generations."

X · September 15, 2007, 02:26:52 PM

I love Kirk and Bill, but I also think that the torch was passed long ago. The Undiscovered Country passed the torch well. New Captains have risen. Kirk has been given his due and it has come full circle. Kirk is coming back and that says alot. If the franchise is to continue, they need to make in new again. It shouldn't be a reunion because that doesn't clean the slate.

Dan M · September 15, 2007, 04:07:59 PM

Doc, I'm a big fan of Kirk and of Shatner's portrayal of the character.

Kirk/Spock = Star Trek. I love all the successive versions, but it always comes back to that for me.

However, I don't see the need for yet another passing of the torch. Star Trek VI was clearly an attempt at that. Then there was Generations. I'm glad they're not going to force Kirk into the movie when they apparently couldn't think of a way to make it work.

I'm just hoping that this new version is well-received, ensuring that we'll get many more filmed adventures of Jim Kirk and crew, well after the original cast is able to play the characters.

iceman · September 15, 2007, 07:58:16 PM

I cant imagine this movie without William shatner in it, If the studio really wanted Him in this movie, they could make it work, they could have him reminiscing with Spock sometime before his death. I think that not having him in the movie in some form would be a big mistake, You could Even have Spock looking at a crew photo of kirk and the command crew and Spock could go back and remember his first meeting Kirk, or Spock looking at a Picture of him and kirk and remembering their last conversation before he died which could be reminiscing about their first meeting each other.

there are many ways they could make this work, and their is still time, so we can still hope.

wso32 · September 16, 2007, 05:39:07 AM

Yeah, I'm still shocked actually that this movie (for now) is going to be made without an appearance by Shatner. With all the back patting that has gone on between Nimoy and Quinto, it seems strange that they want to shut out Shatner completely. I really hope this changes.

X · September 16, 2007, 06:38:04 AM

If it starts in the future with an older Spock, Kirk is dead. To have Spock think about older Kirk just to involve Bill will take time from the rest of the movie. I don't think a older Kirk cameo would be fair to anyone either. It's all about memories and mortality. Kirk is probably partly missing because no one wants to remember fat Elvis.

X · September 16, 2007, 06:46:21 AM

One last thing to consider is Bill. How long did it take for him to escape the shadow of Trek? He's finally earned a statue for his work as Denny Crane. I think he deserves to have a break from the franchise.

Dan M · September 16, 2007, 06:59:49 AM

I don't think that Bill has "escaped" Kirk. I don't think it'd be possible, and I don't think he desires it. His resurgence in the last 5-10 years has been based on his embracing the perceptions of him. That's all based on Trek and his celebrity that came from it, and he must know that. Besides, he's still writing Trek books. He obviously isn't distancing himself that way.

I think, based on his comments, that he'd appear in the movie if asked (and compensated to his satisfaction). However, I agree with you that shoehorning him into the movie at the expense of the movie's flow is a horrible idea.

Shatner as Kirk got to say goodbye on the big screen, twice. Now Nimoy gets his turn, and I trust that it fits well with the story the filmmakers want to tell. That's good enough for me.