This Will Make My Dad Mad

[Meds]

IQ of say 23. If the animal is alive then personally i'd throw him off a cliff. If the animal is already dead or it is a fake puppy, then why oh why would you film yourselves doing that. Oh yeah IQ of 23.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I vote for throwing him off the cliff.  Then yelling: "Yea, how did that feel eh???!!" 

King

[Meds]

Justice

[Dan M]

These men are a disgrace to the Marines and to anyone who ever had the privilege of wearing a military uniform for this great country.

There are idiots and scumbags in every profession, in every state, of every age.  It's a shame that these few will be used to disparage the brave men and woman serving our country in this time of war.

[Meds]

Thats a really good point. Idiots like them put a bad light on the honest decent working men and women who are in the army. Regardless of any political or personal feelings anyone has when it comes to the situation over there doing that job IS tough and the last thing the decent people need is this kind of bad press produced by these morons.

[Jen]

I'm not watching the video. PERIOD. Makes me ill just thinking about it. FYI anyone can be jerk... anyone can be heartless and cruel. I've heard many stories of kids with something to prove doing cruel things to animals all the time.

As a person who grew up in the sticks of South Texas, most if not all of my family are ranchers and farmers—cowboys if you will. I have rarely seen my dad cry. I saw it twice to be exact: when his dad died and when his dog died. No one I know would do such a thing and it angers me to think someone would drag cowboys into this. 

As for the comment about Marines, I happen to be from a military family and though several are Marines I have quite a few family members who are Air Force and Army. If I'm not mistaken several members on this board are also military. Including Peperdude, who is a Marine. To make such a broad assessment could be considered insulting.  Just because a few idiots do something like this doesn't mean that the training makes them loose their marbles. Out of all the veterans I've known, I know one person, a former Marine, who is a little off... and for good reason. It has nothing to do with the training and everything to do with what happened to them during combat and that experience is different depending on the person.

I agree with Rico about personally not being able to do something like this, but knowing as many marines as I do, it takes a special kind of person to make it though their training and not everyone who completes the training does so with all of their marbles intact.

People like to bring up the cowboy and gun loving ways of Texas and to a certain extent that's true. Perhaps this is why 1 out of 10 Marines is a Texan. Some people can handle the stress of being a marine, but obviously these idiots couldn't.

[Meds]

There was a incident over here involving a few youths who did the same with a cat. Being a dog owner (we have two) and a big animal lover (as i know quite a few people here on the forums are) i just can't get my head around idiots who do things like this, even as i said earlier if it is a fake dog the heartless actions are still there.
Going slightly off topic a bit, hey Jen did you not have any inclinations about joining the military? My other half used to be in the RAF any my uncles where in the navy and army, plus a few in other services. I really wanted to join when i was younger but my eye sight was a factor then. I don't think that matters nowadays but it did then.

[Jen]

There was a incident over here involving a few youths who did the same with a cat. Being a dog owner (we have two) and a big animal lover (as i know quite a few people here on the forums are) i just can't get my head around idiots who do things like this, even as i said earlier if it is a fake dog the heartless actions are still there.
Going slightly off topic a bit, hey Jen did you not have any inclinations about joining the military? My other half used to be in the RAF any my uncles where in the navy and army, plus a few in other services. I really wanted to join when i was younger but my eye sight was a factor then. I don't think that matters nowadays but it did then.

Yes, the Navy. I almost joined but I received an art scholarship and went that route instead. I often wonder how different my life would be had I chosen the military. I'm glad I didn't as I would not have met my husband Dave. :)

David was in ROTC for four years and wanted to be a pilot in the Air Force. His eye sight is not the greatest so he decided against it. Again, if he had gone into the military our paths would have never crossed. 

[X]

As for the comment about Marines, I happen to be from a military family and though several are Marines I have quite a few family members who are Air Force and Army. If I'm not mistaken several members on this board are also military. Including Peperdude, who is a Marine.

My comment wasn't meant to insult anyone, but state something that I've observed. I also come from a military family from both sides. I was in the Air Force like my father and my mother was a marine.

That being said, I don't think it's a big secret that some marines don't complete their training with all of their sanity in tact. I'm not suggesting that every Marine is crazy, but there are some that are and I've known more than my share of them.

From my own talks with Marines, the whole purpose of their longer than any other branch training is so that they can have the time the need to break someone down and then rebuild them how the military wants them to be.

Edit: Forgot to add that my wife is ex army and her ex-husband is a Marine to give a little more perspective to that.

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I've given thought to joining the military.......but I'm just no crazy about it right now.  Not because of the war, but because none of the presidents really support the troops.  (I'll try and make this short).  I mean right now, from what I'm hearing, most Army soldiers that come home are tried and convicted of "war-crimes" or some stupid stuff because they accidentally killed "civilians" in combat zones.  Seriously, with "civilians" being all over the place in Iraq, how the heck are you not going to hit one by accident??!!

That is the main reason I won't join.  I don't want to be a "traitor" for my country.  No thank you. 

King

[Rico]

I still say this has to be in the person to begin with.  There are plenty of studies out there that point out that your basic fundamental values, principles, right & wrong ideas are formed at a very young age.  Experiences can flex those values to a degree but not that far.  At least in my view and from what I have read.

[X]

I've given thought to joining the military.......but I'm just no crazy about it right now.  Not because of the war, but because none of the presidents really support the troops.  (I'll try and make this short).  I mean right now, from what I'm hearing, most Army soldiers that come home are tried and convicted of "war-crimes" or some stupid stuff because they accidentally killed "civilians" in combat zones.  Seriously, with "civilians" being all over the place in Iraq, how the heck are you not going to hit one by accident??!!

That is the main reason I won't join.  I don't want to be a "traitor" for my country.  No thank you. 

King

Tim, I don't think that most service men are being tried for anything. Also, if you are going to send a military force in to protect the people there, then you do that. You don't kill people and justify it as a mistake.

I don't believe that the military would have committed to the type of operation they are on if they didn't have any chance of success at it.  Everyone there isn't randomly killing citizen to get at the bad guys and we shouldn't allow those that do it to go unpunished.

Put the situation into perspective. They are a peace keeping force. Like the cops here. Do you think it's okay for the cops to mow down a few citizens to get at the bag guys here. I mean there are a lot more citizens that could get in the way here and it would be easier to just shoot through someone to get a the bad guy, but that doesn't mean we take the easy path. Nor does it mean we aren't held responsible for our actions.

innocent people do die in war, but if there was no way to prevent that from happening, you aren't usually convicted.

[X]

I still say this has to be in the person to begin with.  There are plenty of studies out there that point out that your basic fundamental values, principles, right & wrong ideas are formed at a very young age.  Experiences can flex those values to a degree but not that far.  At least in my view and from what I have read.

Rico, I totally agree with you here. When I was doing my early enlistment process, you could tell from how people discussed things which branch they were going to. Military testing also "filters" individuals to certain branches based on their testing. I think that anyone that has been in the military knows exactly what I mean, but I won't break it down because the different branches seem to only communicate well when making fun of their sibling branches.

To this day I have to defend that the Air Force isn't a pretend military, but that's no different than the stuff a Marine goes through and the acronym that the other branches gave the Devil dogs.

[Rico]

I am wondering if anyone ever gets rejected based on any psychological testing done when they sign up?  Physical stuff we all hear about (eyesight, medical conditions, etc.).  But I wonder if they drop anyone who just seems a bit too out there to hand a loaded weapon to?

[sheldor]

Anyone think that youtube should do a better job reviewing this kind of content ?  They probably get 10,000+ submissions everyday and while some offend small groups, this kind of thing is offensible to a large population.