U.S. Politics

[Geekyfanboy]

Okay I started a thread a few months back and for the most part it was a fairly calm and constructive conversation. Now that we have President and VP elects for both the Democrates and Republican I thought we could try again. Please be aware that these are just opinions of the individual posters. Everyone has the right to express their views.

With that said...

Democrates have Barack Obama and Joe Biden

Republicans have John McCain and Sarah Palin

Let's discuss...

[alanp]

I am pretty conservative, but I don't feel that I am well represented on either ticket.  It's my opinion that the best presidents govern from the center.  I voted for Huckabee in the primary.  Really I feel like both sides picked duds.  And they both picked duds for running mates.  I think the Republicans should have nominated someone like Romney or Huckabee.  And the Democrats should have nominated someone like Governor Brad Henry of Oklahoma or Sen Evan Byah of Indiana.  Both would have been solid middle of the road candidates.

Just say McCain wins and serves 2 terms, could he govern until he is 80?  I was hoping he would pick someone with more experience as a running mate.  Palin has served one and one half years as governor and she has also been a city council member.  Shouldn't he have picked a more experienced VP? 

[sheldor]

I was listening to Palins' speech.  She's a firecracker and - not to be sexist - might throw some curves at the dems.   I hope these debates will the most interesting in awHile.  If McCain wins, it will be close and if its too close, the dems will challenge it (of course).  If Obama wins, it will be a landslide.

[davekill]

Guess it's too late for Obama to rethink Hillary as a V.P. :(

I like Sarah Palin. She seems very capable to assume the office of V.P. and will be a great roll model for young women everywhere!

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I'm going to be blunt.  I do NOT see the appeal of Obama.  His relations, his questionable past, and his inexperience.  Also, he stands for change.  What the heck kind of change??!!  I'm sorry, but "change" could be anything.  I could say "I'm going to change my ways!" and all I do is go to bed at 11:00pm instead of 10:00pm.  Even his best supporters can't tell me what kind of change he'll bring.  So shouldn't I be concerned just a little?!  I'm sorry, but I'm not clairvoyant.  Tell me what you plan on doing Obama and MAYBE I'll vote for you.  Even my best friend who is a conservative Democrat isn't voting for him.  (And he highly dislikes Bush). 

Now, McCain, you plan on being a man who has no backbone?  You've gone from Conservative to Liberal and now back to Conservative. Which tells me absolutely nothing.  Your choice for running mate isn't appealing to me either.  I mean, heck, with Bush at least I KNEW what he was going to do. 

To be honest, I'm sick of this election already.  I've got a choice between two candidates who say a lot yet nothing.  I have no idea on what they plan on doing in office.  The ONLY comfort I have in this election is that it will be impossible for them to screw up our nation in 4 years.  Thank you checks and balances. 

Time to vote for the independent.  At least I know what he plans on doing.

King

[Jen]

I'm staying out of the debate.  I enjoy the friendships I've made here too much to screw it all up with my arguments about politics. 

Just a reminder to try to be respectful when you debate politics here. Democrat, Republican, independents, communists, socialists, anarchists or any other 'ists'. People like visiting these boards because of the friendly environment we maintain here. Just letting you know, before anything becomes heated that bashing will not be tolerated. Please be humble in your stance and respectful of other's opinions.  :)

[moyer777]

I seriously think that Picard would make an excellent president.

Here is why--

First he is a compassionate guy with great leadership skills.
second he is a great diplomat and works well with negotiating.
Third, if he needs to he kicks butt.
Fourth- he's not afraid of strong women, why he even makes cucumber sandwiches for them.

Ok for Vice President, I think Data would be best.

here is what we know--
He is fascinated with humanity and works hard not to kill.
He isn't ruled by his emotions, well at least for some time he wasn't. :)
He get's along with everyone except for people who want to dismantle him and screw up his posotronic brain.
He has an off switch.

There you go.  That's who I'm voting for.

What star trek characters do you think would be a good president and vice and why?

[Bryancd]

Wow. I'm gone for a day and look what happens. I agree that Jen and Kenny and Rico need to keep this a friendly place, but NOTHING said so far comes even close to crossing that line. Everybody chill out. If someone doesn't care for a candidate, that's fine. We are all adults and realize that opinions should not change our feelings about PEOPLE. We have had many open and frank discussions on this board to it's betterment. Mod's need to relax a bit, you all seem a little to hair trigger suddenly and I say that as a memeber of this community with a right to voice an opinion.

Now having said my peace on that, I like Palin. She's a breath of fresh air and a very bold choice for the McCain campaign, although I think he had to be sold on her at first. Obama is a remarkable man and I respect him very much. My wife may vote for him, however after this VP pick, I'm even more for McCain. I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative.

[Jen]

Wow. I'm gone for a day and look what happens. I agree that Jen and Kenny and Rico need to keep this a friendly place, but NOTHING said so far comes even close to crossing that line. Everybody chill out. If someone doesn't care for a candidate, that's fine. We are all adults and realize that opinions should not change our feelings about PEOPLE. We have had many open and frank discussions on this board to it's betterment. Mod's need to relax a bit, you all seem a little to hair trigger suddenly and I say that as a memeber of this community with a right to voice an opinion.

Now having said my peace on that, I like Palin. She's a breath of fresh air and a very bold choice for the McCain campaign, although I think he had to be sold on her at first. Obama is a remarkable man and I respect him very much. My wife may vote for him, however after this VP pick, I;m even more for McCain.

Bryan... Nothing has been said yet that would be deemed inappropriate. But there have been one or two fly-ins (people who aren't frequent posters) who have said inflammatory things in the past.  I'm just heading off those who may or may not decide to start a fire in our house. You guys have always been respectful and I did not say you could not voice your opinions. I asked people to be respectful and humble. Politics is a VERY touchy subject.

[Bryancd]

That's fine Jen, but don't moderate in advance. :) Somehow we have discussed politics, even gay marriage, in the past with no issues.

[Lexii Lane]

Oh my god you people are CRAZY if you think that.....


Just kidding. No flame posts here dont worry.

I have yet to pay close attention to McCain, but Obama caught my attention with the acceptance speech, and seeing his family there holding hands brought a tear to my eye. I just had this feeling that he did keep talking about change, and we dont know what kind of change that would mean exactly because he hasnt written it down in stone, but I generally feel he cares about his country, and I think he has a good head on his shoulders.

I was blown away when he spoke of how its not all the government behind americas failings, as the government cant "go turn off the TV and make your child do homework" ...  and "cant force a father to take responsibility for his children and raise them right.." He said things to me that hit close to home. And I am totally digging him at this moment. However before Obamas speech, I was a Mccain fan... I cant wait to hear the debates coming in September, I am sure they will be enlightening and gloves off.

But all in all, may the best man (or woman) for the job, and to lead our futures in a good way, be victorious on election day! Godbless America!

[Jen]

That's fine Jen, but don't moderate in advance. :) Somehow we have discussed politics, even gay marriage, in the past with no issues.

It was intended as a general heads up for newbies who may pop in on this topic. Yes, we have all been civil and I am proud of the way we all handle sensitive topics. You are all very intelligent and respectful. I did not mean to insult anyone.  ;)
Carry on.

[Lexii Lane]

 :offtopic

We're losing focus people!

Obama?

McCain?

YOU decide :)

[davekill]

Along with the current global concerns, it appears the old Soviet Bear is stirring from hibernation.

And McCain does have the best foreign policy experience of the lot.
I doubt that the former head of the KGB is going to negotiate because of world opinion.

Even President Kennedy had to take drastic actions to get tough with Khrushchev before he blinked first and removed his military from Cuba.

Putin to re-station Russian nukes/military in Cuba?
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php?topic=78668.0

"Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is calling for Russia to regain its influential position in former Cold War ally Cuba, Russian news reports said Monday.

The statement comes amid persistent speculation about whether Russia is seeking a military presence in a country just 90 miles (150 kilometers) from the United States in response to U.S. plans to place missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic.

'We should restore our position in Cuba and other countries,' Putin was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency."

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But if we're going to nominate the best Trek character - I don't see how we could do better than the future President "Captian Trips"! Best qualified because he has already "Done that and been there" with the Klingons.

This cats got a great laid back look. When ever I see him in The Undiscovered Country - I can almost smell incense and hear sitar music :)

[sheldor]

I seriously think that Picard would make an excellent president.

Here is why--

First he is a compassionate guy with great leadership skills.
second he is a great diplomat and works well with negotiating.
Third, if he needs to he kicks butt.
Fourth- he's not afraid of strong women, why he even makes cucumber sandwiches for them.

Ok for Vice President, I think Data would be best.

here is what we know--
He is fascinated with humanity and works hard not to kill.
He isn't ruled by his emotions, well at least for some time he wasn't. :)
He get's along with everyone except for people who want to dismantle him and screw up his posotronic brain.
He has an off switch.

There you go.  That's who I'm voting for.

What star trek characters do you think would be a good president and vice and why?

But he was BORG !!!