"STAR TREK" movie comments/reviews (spoilers)

[Dan M]

I'll be getting that model kit.  Very nice.  Thanks for posting the picture, Bryan!

[Omra]

George has been inspired by the new Star Trek and has announced he will be doing a REBOOT of Star Wars!

Orlando Bloom has signed on as the NEW LUKE! ;D

[RickPeete]

Has anyone noticed that the theme music in the movie has some striking similarities to the theme from the Mission To Mars movie?  I was listening to the soundtrack tnis morning and was suddenly reminded of the Missoin to Mars movie.

Vartok, I am curious if you have noticed this?

-Rick

[SPOCKFAN]

Just saw the movie finally.  Ranks up there as one of the best movie experiences of my life.  I absolutely loved the movie. My wife who has never watched anything Star Trek also really liked the movie.  I actually had tears running down my face at the beginning when Kirk's dad dies, man that scene got to me. Casting was perfect. Simon Pegg was amazing. Chirs Pine, perfect. Karl Urban Perfect. Quinto was really good, but not Leonard Nimoy. I love Nimoy as Spock. My favorite character.  But I do like Quinto and can't wait to see where he takes the character.  This movie made me so happy I can't stop smiling.  J.J. Abrams is the man!  Long live Star Trek.

[wraith1701]

*sends virtual 'high-five' to SPOCKFAN*  Nice.  I'm glad you enjoyed it; it really is an awesome film. :)

[Rico]

Here's a really great resource for the new ships in the film.  http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/stxi_ships.htm

They are firmly in line with the new Enterprise just being a tiny bit bigger than the old, movie refit version.  Making it about 295m.  Read on:

1) The new Enterprise was designed by Ryan Church and built into a CGI model at ILM.
2) Compared to the pilot version (2254-2264) and the largely identical original Constitution class as it appeared in TOS (2264-2268) the changes to the re-imagined "Star Trek XI" vessel are substantial. Its proportions are roughly similar, retaining the basic saucer-neck-engineering-nacelle configuration. The secondary hull and the "organic" nacelles are totally new. The saucer is essentially the same as the one of the TMP refit, and hence different than the somewhat smaller one of the TOS Enterprise. Some of its details such as the windows and the three stripes on the edge even seem to be identical. The bridge dome is a bit like in TMP and very different than on the TOS model.
3) The locations for the ship seen in the film are: bridge, sickbay, crew quarters, corridors, engineering and the transporter room. The playful interior of the bridge is nothing like in TOS but like a generic 24th century bridge. Other rooms have been totally restyled as well. The corridors now have round cross-sections. The interior of the engineering section looks like a 20th century industrial complex. There are largely no recognizable decks in this section, and much of the volume is filled with a maze of water pipes. This is very different than on any other Federation ship of any era, and it begs the question whether the huge filming set (an actual waterworks as it seems) would fit into the engineering hull at all. In a similar fashion, the shuttlebay may be too small for the many bulky (ca. 14m long) new shuttles, which are stacked in some sort of shelves on two levels on either side of the shuttlebay. Here the shuttlebay looks like it is some 50m across, but that has to be a scaling error.
4) Since the new Enterprise is different because history has been altered, there is no need for an in-universe justification why it doesn't look like the TOS ship. There is no need to make the design fit in any fashion. Still, it is true that the re-imagination would be somewhat plausible as a predecessor of the Enterprise refit of 2271 mainly because of the saucer, but only as a direct predecessor. It would be very odd to build a new ship in 2258 with features that the refit would have as late as in 2271, only to regress to a more basic style for just five years between 2264 and 2269. There is no explanation as to why the saucer is like the one of TMP. It would have been a nice twist if Spock had arrived earlier and had given the plans of this ship to Starfleet. But up to the point when the Narada shows up above Vulcan no one in the Federation is even aware that history has been altered.
5) Comparing my preliminary side view with that of the other two Enterprises, I obtain a length of 295m for the new ship. We can take for granted that the height of the saucer is the same as on the Enterprise refit with its very similar saucer shape. There is still an uncertainty of a couple of meters until orthographic views are available that are exactly to scale. In any case the occasional rumors that the ship has to be bigger are untrue. There are "official" but absolutely ludicrous length figures of 2300ft to 3000ft afloat, which would turn the Enterprise into a monster bigger than a Galaxy class! This is allegedly because the CGI was scaled to this size. But even if the VFX team really had to scale up the ship (such as to squeeze in the way too many shuttles), the basic deck structure, the window size and the diameter of the hatch in the neck from where Kirk's escape pod was launched are definite proof that it can't be much longer than 300m. Every possible other detail pointing to a larger size would have to be reinterpreted in an adequate fashion to fit with the overwhelming evidence of a 300m ship. More about the scaling issue.
6) The Enterprise is being built on the ground, in teenage Kirk's neighborhood in Riverside, Iowa. This is in contrast to everything we knew about ship construction so far. (The ship that Kirk sees in Iowa is indeed the Enterprise. The "1701" is visible as the shuttle passes by the warp engines.)
7) The official movie site at startrekmovie.com tells us that the new Enterprise belongs to the Constitution class, just as in the original universe. There is no canon confirmation in the movie itself, however. The Enterprise may just as well be the first of her class.
See the original Constitution class.

[Bryancd]

Hey, I posted this back on page 21! These are all the points I was trying to make, especially the one about Kirks pod when it's ejected really gives a nice idea of scale. Unfortunately, I think they are going to try and jam the 2300 foot number down our throats despite what we saw on screen. That new model kit will be 11 inches, and is 2500th scale - in the film that would make it 2,375 feet.

[Rico]

I saw your pictures Bryan, but this one is a little different, with more detail so I posted it.  As far as the model kit, just change that scale number to about 1070th scale or round it off to 1/1000th scale and it works to match the 302m number.

[Bryancd]

I saw your pictures Bryan, but this one is a little different, with more detail so I posted it.  As far as the model kit, just change that scale number to about 1070th scale or round it off to 1/1000th scale and it works to match the 302m number.

I know, but REL over at the RPF confirmed with the Polar Light rep the scale of the new kit and the size of the model.

[Rico]

I saw your pictures Bryan, but this one is a little different, with more detail so I posted it.  As far as the model kit, just change that scale number to about 1070th scale or round it off to 1/1000th scale and it works to match the 302m number.

I know, but REL over at the RPF confirmed with the Polar Light rep the scale of the new kit and the size of the model.

That doesn't make it accurate.  He's just feeding back what he's been told.

[Bryancd]

I saw your pictures Bryan, but this one is a little different, with more detail so I posted it.  As far as the model kit, just change that scale number to about 1070th scale or round it off to 1/1000th scale and it works to match the 302m number.

I know, but REL over at the RPF confirmed with the Polar Light rep the scale of the new kit and the size of the model.

That doesn't make it accurate.  He's just feeding back what he's been told.

Here, here, I'm with you on that! You're preaching to the choir, brother! I hope they do scale it down to fit that chart, although it then really does make what we saw on screen confusing in regards to the interior.

[SPOCKFAN]

What was the last line Leonard Nimoy says at the end of the movie when he is standing on that balcony? And what did it mean?

[wraith1701]

I saw your pictures Bryan, but this one is a little different, with more detail so I posted it.  As far as the model kit, just change that scale number to about 1070th scale or round it off to 1/1000th scale and it works to match the 302m number.

I know, but REL over at the RPF confirmed with the Polar Light rep the scale of the new kit and the size of the model.

That doesn't make it accurate.  He's just feeding back what he's been told.

True.  I spoke with the Polar Lights/Round 2 Rep at wonderfest as well.  The kit hasn't even been mastered yet; all they had to show was a mock-up of box-art to advertise that they had purchased the rights.  I believe the statement that they are planning on casting a 11 to 12 inch kit, since that is a popular and economical size for most modelers.  The scale issue is something they can change & pin down once the kit is ready for production.  They can decide later what scale to label it-- 1/2500, 1/1000, or possibly, non-scale.

[wraith1701]

What was the last line Leonard Nimoy says at the end of the movie when he is standing on that balcony? And what did it mean?

I think he said "Thrusters on 'full'.  I interpreted it as a sort of nostalgic 'bon-voyage' to Young Spock & the crew of the Enterprise.

[Bryancd]

What was the last line Leonard Nimoy says at the end of the movie when he is standing on that balcony? And what did it mean?

I think he said "Thrusters on 'full'.  I interpreted it as a sort of nostalgic 'bon-voyage' to Young Spock & the crew of the Enterprise.

Is that what he said? I don't recall that.