"STAR TREK" movie comments/reviews (spoilers)

[Alice Baker]

*Randomly pops in* Hehe!

I loved the film. It started out so dark and emotional and kept that emotion through the film. The randomness of deaths, the heartbreak that was felt, etc. It made me feel it too. I love when a film can do that too me.  :vulcan Quinto made an excellent Spock, all of them were good. I can't wait to see the movies that come out of this, and the huge box office number it tallies. Live long and Prosper! *giggles* "Good luck"

[globeTrekker]

Question: the big trench in the middle of Iowa that boy-kirk drove into... was that from when those aliens attacked Earth in Enterprise (tv series)? Chris

[Alice Baker]

Question: the big trench in the middle of Iowa that boy-kirk drove into... was that from when those aliens attacked Earth in Enterprise (tv series)? Chris

Didn't they just destroy parts of Florida?

[X]

Question: the big trench in the middle of Iowa that boy-kirk drove into... was that from when those aliens attacked Earth in Enterprise (tv series)? Chris

I'm going to say that the big trench is a strip mine. Probably the source of some of the metal used in the construction of the Enterprise or other starships created there. If you note the huge things in the background, we can assume that the metals had to be gathered from somewhere.

[globeTrekker]

You guys are probably right; would have been a cool tie in tho.

[Bryancd]

It was a reboot X, they just didn't have the courage to trust the cast to pull it off and they did just that. Edit out the time travel story and this film can stand on it's own.

...now, don't get me started on the engineering section! I understand trying to save $ by shooting on existing locations, but all the below decks made zero sense. They completely lacked any sense of vision and scale, I mean did you really watch those scenes thinking they could even FIT into the secondary hull?! And what were all those vats and pipes for? And yet these people have warp, transporter, and most difficult of all, artificial gravity capabliity. Come on JJ, spend the $ to make a real set.

[dataskatt]

Okay, here goes...Overall, I loved the movie! The actors, the dialogue, the relationships were all spot on. I'm not sure how I feel about this "alternate universe" idea though. I could live with that, but the deal breaker for me was the destruction of Vulcan. What??? You just can't DO that. That really upset me. Even though I liked the movie in so many ways, it has just negated ALL of the other series' and movies. :shootgun:

[X]

It was a reboot X, they just didn't have the courage to trust the cast to pull it off and they did just that. Edit out the time travel story and this film can stand on it's own.

...now, don't get me started on the engineering section! I understand trying to save $ by shooting on existing locations, but all the below decks made zero sense. They completely lacked any sense of vision and scale, I mean did you really watch those scenes thinking they could even FIT into the secondary hull?! And what were all those vats and pipes for? And yet these people have warp, transporter, and most difficult of all, artificial gravity capabliity. Come on JJ, spend the $ to make a real set.

The vast were anti-mater storage tanks. the water was part of a cooling system. The engineering section was very much like the engineering section of a nuclear vessel (which starfleet ships also use for power). I think it worked. When I saw it and the scale I immediately thought it was a future version of the Titanic's massive engineering section. take for instance when they ejected the core ... there were a lot of parts being ejected, more than likely the many vats that we saw. Yeah, it's not something we've seen before and it did look a bit gritty, but it sort of worked if you compare it to a sailing ship. The cabins and bridge look shiny, but the engineering sections and the lower decks can be a bit grimy.

[Dangelus]

Dan and Mike - you should listen and watch some of the interviews with the writers and JJ.  They confirm what I am saying.  They mention they tried very hard to not just erase everything from the last 40 years.  This is a new, parallel universe.  With some things the same and some different.

Oh yeah I know that is what they said but after watching the film I don't think they should have tried to explain it because it doesn't work. In my opinion it works so much better to just say 'this is how it is', a modern take on Trek without trying to shoehorn in an explanation for the visual technological changes.

Of course it it their film and if they say that Nero is the cause then he is the cause.

Just saw it again, and I'm going to fix everything for you.

Nero arrives and nukes George. Starfleet finds the debris and the remains of the missiles. This discovery and reverse engineering allows starfleet to progress in ways and looks that would not have happened were it not for Nero. This new enterprise was designed to be the flagship of the fleet and at the same time, there are a lot of survivors giving their feedback on what Nero's ship looked like and what they saw it do. Starfleet tries to design something that will survive an encounter with a ship like that in the future.

Thus we get an easy explanation for the look change.

If you want more, see Star Trek Enterprise. The look of that ship was changed because of the Enterprise E. Now you add those changes in with the new Romulan threat and you get a new enterprise that really ROCK!

I know people are going to say that there are two timelines now, but that's nothing new. There has always been multiple timelines in the history of trek, we just usually only focus on one of them where there are billions. Spock returning created a new timeline, but the old timeline continues on. There is also a timeline out there in where time travel never existed ever. Infinite diversity in infinite combination.

I'm just curious and selfishly a that, but I want to know how these changes affect me.

The Kelvin was already advanced at the beginning of the film. When I saw it I thought we were still in the 24th century! It looked so advanced and the uniforms were reminiscent of the TNG finale 'All Good Things'. Because of what the producers have been saying I was expecting an on screen explanation to these changes but I came to realise that it wasn't going to happen since the changes were already there BEFORE the timeline was altered. These changes are part of the 'reboot' that the producers were concerned would upset fans so I believe they tried to tie them into the plot but it just doesn't work.

I'm not going to keep going on about it because everybody has the right to their opinion and as I said I have no issue with the changes and I accept them as part of a modern take on Trek. I just wish JJ and Co had come clean at the beginning because the movie is excellent. Many of the changes are there to open up Trek to a larger audience, such as real dates for stardates, using the 'Enterprise Delta' for the Starfleet insignia etc.

[X]

I'm not going to keep going on about it because everybody has the right to their opinion and as I said I have no issue with the changes and I accept them as part of a modern take on Trek. I just wish JJ and Co had come clean at the beginning because the movie is excellent. Many of the changes are there to open up Trek to a larger audience, such as real dates for stardates, using the 'Enterprise Delta' for the Starfleet insignia etc.

Did you factor in the timeline changes that were caused by Enterprise? Either via First Contact or from their own time altering travels? I tied some of the changes to enterprise and some of them to the results of the timeline changes from Nero. When they mentioned Archer, that opened the door and put the enterprise time line changes into play.

I know people have some issues with Enterprise, but I think that if we assume that ship designs were influenced by Cochrane and other's experiences with the E and the technology recovered from the borg in later episodes, we can put together a very valid reason why things were already changing before they started changing again.

I think that people see time as a straight line and time travel as changes and branches in that timeline. I'm not a scientist, but I see time like a river. A nice smooth river or a waterfall. Time travel is a bunch of rocks tossed into that river all at once. Time is still going it's same direction, but the currents under the surface (the individual timelines) are shifted and altered. Some of these ripples are stronger than others and some aren't, but when ripples hit each other, new ripples are made. Similar timelines are sometimes merged together unnoticed as events in the deep past don't affect the current future. New timelines are split off from existing ones, the path not taken becoming the one that was taken. (Long explination huh?)

In the end, all of these timeline will at some point collapse when time ends.

For me the movie made perfect sense because I expected there to be changes from the time travel that came before it. Kind of like the observation influenced particles in Quantum physics.

Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

[Meds]

Every action has a re-action. Every corner turned decides your day. Being a Dr Who fan the whole time line thing is fairly simply. You're right time doesn't flow in a straight line for any individual but that's where the parallel universe situation comes in. For every decision you make starts a different line. Turn left from Dr Who was a example of that. She turned left instead of right so all the things that we originally saw didn't happen so the time line changed. But you can look at it from the parallel point of view and as soon as she turned left the parallel started and you thits have two scenarios. Does that make sense. Anyway i thought it was a great decision to do that in the film. And i loved engineering. I'm an engineer and there is nothing better than seeing machinery, tanks and coolant systemsx to make a ship run. The titanic referece is great.

[Darth Gaos]

WOW.......WOW.....WOW!

Saw the movie tonight (well last night technically) and we all LOVED IT.  It is 2:15 in the morning so I am not really sure how coherent I will be or how long I will type but I will give a few random thoughts whilst trying not to be too repetitive.

**Thought the story was brilliant insofar as they used the Trek universe to explain (reboot if you will) the Trek universe.  I am not sure it could have been accomplished as well any other way.

**Loved the actors portrayal of the main characters.  Agree with most everyone about Karl Urban.  From the minute he came on screen from his "seat in the bathroom with no windows"...I believed he was McCoy.  The others did a fantastic job as well with Spock being the biggest surprise for me as he was definitely embracing the human emotions more than he ever has previously.

**I did not feel Scotty was over the top at all and I loved every scene with Simon Pegg in it.

**Loved the design of the new ship.  I loved the fact that engineering looked....well... like an engine room.  Although I must say regarding some comments regarding the vats....Honest to God when I first saw them the wiseass in me thought something like "Oh that must be where they they make the beer for Ten Forward".....And before anyone says it...I know.

**Also with the new ship.....is the bridge on the lower end of the saucer section?  Has it always been?  It seemed like it was in the one fly-by shot.

** Were my brother-in-law and I the only ones who absolutely LOVED the Kobiyashi-Maru test.  That was, oddly enough, the first time that I thought....."Yep, that's Kirk"
"Charge Weapons"
"The Klingon's shields are still up"
"Are they?"

**Choked up twice....George Kirk's death (also because I am a father) and the death of Vulcan...which TOTALLY BLEW ME AWAY!   My bro-in-law and I both looked at each other and said holy crap they destroyed VULCAN!?!?!?!?

**Spock Prime....AWESOME....in every scene.  The cave scene with Kirk being my favorite.

Finally, the only thing I personally would have changed would have been to have Chris Pine say the "opening" to the Trek series a the end of the movie rather than Nimoy.  I thought that would have been the perfect ending to the movie.

OK so that was longer than I thought.....time for bed.......and glad I can visit this thread now..;.officially

[Bryancd]

It was a reboot X, they just didn't have the courage to trust the cast to pull it off and they did just that. Edit out the time travel story and this film can stand on it's own.

...now, don't get me started on the engineering section! I understand trying to save $ by shooting on existing locations, but all the below decks made zero sense. They completely lacked any sense of vision and scale, I mean did you really watch those scenes thinking they could even FIT into the secondary hull?! And what were all those vats and pipes for? And yet these people have warp, transporter, and most difficult of all, artificial gravity capabliity. Come on JJ, spend the $ to make a real set.

The vast were anti-mater storage tanks. the water was part of a cooling system. The engineering section was very much like the engineering section of a nuclear vessel (which starfleet ships also use for power). I think it worked. When I saw it and the scale I immediately thought it was a future version of the Titanic's massive engineering section. take for instance when they ejected the core ... there were a lot of parts being ejected, more than likely the many vats that we saw. Yeah, it's not something we've seen before and it did look a bit gritty, but it sort of worked if you compare it to a sailing ship. The cabins and bridge look shiny, but the engineering sections and the lower decks can be a bit grimy.

Oh, I understand where they were going, but it looked too much like a factory and not at all like the inside of a spaceship designed like the Enterprise. In the long shot's, the area was so huge it can't be reconciled with the size of the secondary hull. There's no getting around that but I think it's a small issue.

Now, getting back to how we could have done without the whole Spock story, the whole ice planet scene which was just a contrivance to have Kirk and Spock meet. I had a hard time accepting Spock would eject Kirk from the ship rather than just put him in the brig and have him crash land on a hostile planet 14 kilometers from the closest base! That whole sequence could have been changed if you drop the Spock story and have another reason for Kirk to go down and find Scotty.

Darth Gaos, the bridge was located on top, 2 decks lower than on the original Enterprise.

[Rico]

One other thing to keep in mind about this movie with regards to the look.  JJ and his team have stated that they wanted to create a version of Trek that might have been made in the present day, if Gene Roddenberry had the film effects and computer tech we have now.  So that is one of the reasons for the updated look to things.

[Rico]

Oh, and Bryan there was no way in hell they were going to do a total reboot and erase 40 years of Trek.  That would have even made me upset (and you know I'm on JJ's payroll).  I thought what they did was very elegant and well thought out.  And I personally thought having Leonard Nimoy in it was perfect.  The movie for me had a lot more emotional resonance with him there.  To someone who has never seen Trek - yeah none of this really mattered.  But by putting it in, they were able to mainly satisfy the fans that have watched every episode and those also new to the whole thing.