"STAR TREK" movie comments/reviews (spoilers)

[RickPeete]

Davekill:

Thanks for reminding me about the issue regarding warp speed. I was a little surprised that the Enterprise was limited to Warp 4 when Archer's NX Series Enterprise could travel at that speed.  I would have expected the flagship of the Federation to be at least able to travel at Warp 7 like in the original timeline.  It would still allow the Narada to be faster (I would assume it could reach Warp 8 or 9).

The other thing were the shields.  They did not appear to do a good job of deflecting anything.  Lots of physical 'hits' to the ship.  Now that is probably because the Narada had Borg-enhanced weaponry so perhaps I will give them a break on that nitpick.

Well, maybe you are right.  The next movie may have Enterprise with a refit to improve its weapons, speed, and shields given the encounter with the Narada and whatever analysis they were able to make from sensor logs of the battle.

[RickPeete]

I am pretty sure that Spock's ship was 'not' a time ship.  It just went through the black hole along with the Narada.  The ship was built by Geordi LaForge as a science vessel that was designed to be able to withstand tremendous gravitational stress and could therefore get close enough to the sun to deploy the red matter device.

I need to re-read that prequel comic...

[DontcallmePigboy]

To bad about Porthos.  'sniff'

[billybob476]

No it wasn't a time ship. The time tavel was triggered by the singularity created by the red matter. With regard to Porthos, I doubt it was the Porthos we saw in Enterprise. Unless dog lifespans increased dramatically, it may have been Porthos 2 or 3.

[Jaames]

I loved that they gave a nod to Enterprise the series, though. I was afriad they would just dismiss it and move on.

[davekill]

I loved that they gave a nod to Enterprise the series, though. I was afriad they would just dismiss it and move on.

Me too!

I'd like to see a tie-in with Archer and the Enterprise series in the next movie. I think it's still the "New Treks" pre-federation past. Those episodes more closely resemble this new movie than any other Trek series - though I lost interest in Voyager after season 3 (sorry Kenny).

a couple more points to ponder:

No transfer of computer bridge command?

Was Delta Vega a moon of Vulcan in this movie? Old Spock sure had a great view of the destruction of his home wold from where he was morooned.

I really liked the DNA/voice print match that gave young Spock command of the Vulcan future craft. Would have been better if it had phaser beam weapons.

This new cast is young enough to play their rolls for 7 more years.

and

This must be an alternate timeline, everyone knows that Uhura always had a thing for Scotty.

[revolutionkuros]

This is my opinion on what should have been Spock's love interest in STXI:  Instead of Uhura, I think that they should have casted a Nurse Chapel.  In TOS, there was always an awkwardness between Chapel and Spock.  I believe that if at the end of the movie he decided to take the Vulcan path and dumped Chapel, that it would have explained the awkwardness from TOS and they still could have shown the human side of Spock with his love life.  I realize that they weren't super worried about continuity with this movie, but in my opinion it would have made more sense to a Trekkie like myself.  It also would have explained something that was never really explored in TOS.  There are so few Vulcans left in the new timeline that it makes more sense for Spock to choose a Vulcan path and sacrifice his love life.

I loved the movie but further disappointments were:
1.  No trademark Captain Kirk dropkick. (all that fighting and not one goofy single leg drop kick?)
2.  No trademark "He's dead Jim" (that I can remember)
3.  Shaky cam (I despise shaky cam, I'd rather see what's going on in the movie)

All in all, these 4 things make me give the new movie a 9.9/10 instead of a perfect 10.  I can live with that  :P

[Rico]

Multi-page topic on the movie going.  Moving this over.  Welcome.

[RickPeete]

There was a Nurse Chapel in the film.  McCoy called out for her to assist him in the transporter room.  But my guess is that they wanted to show that this relationship between Spock and Uhure was in place prior to their assignment to the Enterprise.  Hence his assigning her to the Farragut originally.

[Jen]

I've been reading all of  your posts and I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm a bit slow on the up take...  Did everyone except me know this was an alternate timeline and not just a timline hick up story?? In every instance of Star Trek that we have seen thus far, the timeline is corrected...I've been trained by Trek to expect this.  The only 'permanent' alternate history we witness is in the Mirror Universe, but now there is an alternate timeline in addition to other universes?

Yes, I will freely admit I was confused at first. It wasn't obvious to me and I was surprised that it wasn't corrected at the end of the film. You may revoke my geek card.  :blush

As I said before, I loved the film...I just didn't expect the curve ball. To me, Kirk learning his that his counterpart knew his father, did not indicate that he was occupying a parallel timeline but a defunct timeline...one in need of correction. Thus the confusion. I get it now and I like it now that I know that everything that occurred in the television series was not systematically erased by JJ. :)

[cosmonaut]

He: "I've been fact checking, and Vulcan..."
Me: "Yes, Vulcan is fine in the Star Trek series!"
He: "I always expected them to travel back and save it!"
Me: "SO DID I!"

I didn't want to know what is going to happen in the movie and stayed away from spoilers, so I only knew it involved time travel. But I never expected JJ to go back to TOS, so although I thought they would save Vulcan, I was aware (at least on a subconscious level) that this time line would not be fixed.

[ElfManDan]

Towards the end of the film I kept thinking "Well when are they going to set the timeline strait?" Then I'd think, "Well why would they do that, likely alienate all their newcomer fans by making all that we just watch having never actually happened.

Really at the end though I thought the film was absolutely fantastic, it wasn't the alternate timeline thing that had me a ify on it as a Star Trek film.

[Dangelus]

I've been reading all of  your posts and I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm a bit slow on the up take...  Did everyone except me know this was an alternate timeline and not just a timline hick up story?? In every instance of Star Trek that we have seen thus far, the timeline is corrected...I've been trained by Trek to expect this.  The only 'permanent' alternate history we witness is in the Mirror Universe, but now there is an alternate timeline in addition to other universes?

Yes, I will freely admit I was confused at first. It wasn't obvious to me and I was surprised that it wasn't corrected at the end of the film. You may revoke my geek card.  :blush

As I said before, I loved the film...I just didn't expect the curve ball. To me, Kirk learning his that his counterpart knew his father, did not indicate that he was occupying a parallel timeline but a defunct timeline...one in need of correction. Thus the confusion. I get it now and I like it now that I know that everything that occurred in the television series was not systematically erased by JJ. :)

Jen, you're right, essentially this could have been done as a timeline 'hiccup' story but in this case they needed it to be a permanent alternate timeline for the new franchise so they are not tied down to previous canon.

If you imagine this movie as a TV episode then they would have found to correct things at the end like they have done countless times on the TV show like you said.

Some have even speculated that it may have been done to create two different Trek 'universes' because of the rights split between Paramount (for movies) and CBS (for TV shows). This could mean that CBS could continue to create Trek TV shows from the 'prime' universe while the 'alternate' movie franchise did it's own thing. I could live with that, but I suspect the main reason for the timeline split was not to upset the hardcore fans who think JJ was re-writing 40 years of Trek 'history'.

[Jaames]

You may revoke my geek card.  :blush

[Jaames revokes Jen's geek card]

Jen:  :hate

Jaames:  :smilie_nono:

Jen:   :old_bash:

Jaames:   :wacko [Hands back geek card]

[Jaames]

Some have even speculated that it may have been done to create two different Trek 'universes' because of the rights split between Paramount (for movies) and CBS (for TV shows). This could mean that CBS could continue to create Trek TV shows from the 'prime' universe while the 'alternate' movie franchise did it's own thing. I could live with that, but I suspect the main reason for the timeline split was not to upset the hardcore fans who think JJ was re-writing 40 years of Trek 'history'.

I think it was handled brilliantly. I loved it. The "alternate" timeline is a stroke of genius, not because we haven't seen it before, but because we HAVE seen it before and not had it fully explored as a reality and a consequence of time travel. Plus, as was mentioned, it doesn't piss off the fans. I can't wait for more. This is officially the FIRST movie I have EVER seen twice in the theater. I think I'll go again tomorrow!