"STAR TREK" movie comments/reviews (spoilers)

[billybob476]

Not that I disagree with you Bryan, but I was under the impression the timeline divergence happened 25 years before when Nero came through the singularity.

[Rico]

This is cool.  The writers describe what they had written for Shatner/Kirk in the new movie.  Might have been interesting.  A few spoilers for the movie so I put it in this thread.

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/380509/what-would-shatners-star-trek-scene-have-been-like.jhtml

[X]

It's a reboot, they have a tremendous amount of leeway in terms of incorporating familiar, canonical names, places, and events without having to adhere slavishly to a timeline previously established. The mental gymnastics are amusing and fun for fans, but I think there is a point we just need to go with it. :)
Besides, as that line was delivered post-timeline alteration, all previous dates are suspect. Myabe Archer was born later, maybe the NX-01 was launched later, who knows! I loke that they brought in the name without having to justify it's use.

Yeah, I agree with this. While some people see the movie as an alternate timeline created by the arrival of Nero, some can see it as ... switching rail road tracks.

There are enough differences at the beginning, including the way they use Stardates and the Starfleet Delta to suggest that Spock didn't go backwards in HIS timeline, but backwards into ANOTHER timeline. So it's double altered.

[cosmonaut]

I think there are a lot of places where we can if it in. If it helps, the writers did mean Jonathan Archer when they wrote it, but didn't specify Porthos.

Yes, this helps. Thought I'd like to see a captain of the Enterprise who had children and grandchildren.

Besides, as that line was delivered post-timeline alteration, all previous dates are suspect. Maybe Archer was born later, maybe the NX-01 was launched later, who knows!

Well, movie time line was altered the day Kirk was born. Everything further in the past like NX-01 dates should be fine - but they had that temporal cold war. I don't know: Was, for example, the pilot of Enterprise still accurate by the end of the series?

[Bryancd]

Not that I disagree with you Bryan, but I was under the impression the timeline divergence happened 25 years before when Nero came through the singularity.

Oh, I see what you are saying, yes, that's true. Again, I like that they feel they can bring in the familiar without ahereing to a timeline which may otherwise preclude it. We all seem to agree that is one of the stregnths of this whole premise.

[Geekyfanboy]

The other thing I haven't worked out yet is how Archer and Scott would have overlapped in time for the whole 'prize beagle' event to have happened. I thought Enterprise was supposed to be 100 years before TOS and even allowing that this story shaves seven years off of Kirk's rise to Captain, that's still 93 years after Enterprise putting Archer at, what? 135?

Having said all that...I'd rather the Archer reference was in rather than than out so I'm happy they did it. I just can't make the maths work.

Do we know for a fact that it's Johnathan Archer? What if it's his son and like others have said a decedent of Porthos.

[Bryancd]

That's true as well, Kenny, but I would think this was a little wink to fan's of "Enterprise" and wasn't given that much thought.

[Jaames]

Okay folks, I know I said in my video that I was taking my wife to see it that night, but that didn't pan out (she decided she wanted to see Wolverine instead, which couldn't hold a candle compared to Star Trek [in my humble opionion], neither of us really liked it that much). So we are going to go see Trek on Friday.

Here is my question for those of you who have seen it on IMAX: I am dying to see it on IMAX before it's gone, but for her first time seeing it, will she miss too much on IMAX? Will she be overwhelmed by it? Or will she be blown away?

[Rico]

I have the same question, because I might be taking Lynn and my older son this coming Friday too.  Anyone seen it both ways yet?

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I think there are a lot of places where we can if it in. If it helps, the writers did mean Jonathan Archer when they wrote it, but didn't specify Porthos.

Yes, this helps. Thought I'd like to see a captain of the Enterprise who had children and grandchildren.

Besides, as that line was delivered post-timeline alteration, all previous dates are suspect. Maybe Archer was born later, maybe the NX-01 was launched later, who knows!

Well, movie time line was altered the day Kirk was born. Everything further in the past like NX-01 dates should be fine - but they had that temporal cold war. I don't know: Was, for example, the pilot of Enterprise still accurate by the end of the series?

Kirk had a few kids. Garrett had a kid. I still think that Wesley is Picard's love child.

[X]

The other thing I haven't worked out yet is how Archer and Scott would have overlapped in time for the whole 'prize beagle' event to have happened. I thought Enterprise was supposed to be 100 years before TOS and even allowing that this story shaves seven years off of Kirk's rise to Captain, that's still 93 years after Enterprise putting Archer at, what? 135?

Having said all that...I'd rather the Archer reference was in rather than than out so I'm happy they did it. I just can't make the maths work.

Do we know for a fact that it's Johnathan Archer? What if it's his son and like others have said a decedent of Porthos.

Yeah the writers said it was a reference to Jonathan Archer as a nod to the fans. the beagle just wasn't porthos.

[Jaames]

Yeah the writers said it was a reference to Jonathan Archer as a nod to the fans. the beagle just wasn't porthos.

I'm sure the line must have been to D'Artagnan by then.

[billybob476]

Yeah the writers said it was a reference to Jonathan Archer as a nod to the fans. the beagle just wasn't porthos.

I'm sure the line must have been to D'Artagnan by then.

So in the mirror universe Prothos should have been named CARDINAL RICHELIEU!

[cosmonaut]

Kirk had a few kids. Garrett had a kid. I still think that Wesley is Picard's love child.

Yes, Kirk had a son. For a whole movie. :(
But this is going off topic, I guess the other kids appear in the novels.

So in the mirror universe Prothos should have been named CARDINAL RICHELIEU!

*lol*
Edit: I was hooked to that 80s toon Dogtainan and the Muskehounds. *blush*

[X]

Okay, I've started into the book and how can I put this? I'm not that far in and it's already just as good if not better than the movie because we're getting insights that we didn't see in the movie.

I'm loving it.