"STAR TREK" movie comments/reviews (spoilers)

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Quote from: RicSantiago on May 20, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on May 20, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
As to the film, I think the scene works ok for what JJ was trying to impart.

When we saw the trailer, the telephonic conversation with the "uncle" wasnt there, so I did not get that the intention was to destroy the car. I thought Kirk didnt see the cliff before too late to brake. Maybe silly of me.

But for a person who didnt see the trailer, when seeing the film: was it clear enough that the "uncle" was the stepfather and that Kirk was doing that to destroy the car as an act of revolt against the car owner? Was it clear enough?
In the book, for me, it was a little more to it than him just destroying to car. I think that he was trying to keep his father's car away from someone that was trying to sell it from under them. When he saw the canyon, he decided it was better to destroy it than let this jerk sell it. It wasn't the step-father's to get rid of.

Jobydrone

Quote from: Just X on May 20, 2009, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: RicSantiago on May 20, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on May 20, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
As to the film, I think the scene works ok for what JJ was trying to impart.

When we saw the trailer, the telephonic conversation with the "uncle" wasnt there, so I did not get that the intention was to destroy the car. I thought Kirk didnt see the cliff before too late to brake. Maybe silly of me.

But for a person who didnt see the trailer, when seeing the film: was it clear enough that the "uncle" was the stepfather and that Kirk was doing that to destroy the car as an act of revolt against the car owner? Was it clear enough?
In the book, for me, it was a little more to it than him just destroying to car. I think that he was trying to keep his father's car away from someone that was trying to sell it from under them. When he saw the canyon, he decided it was better to destroy it than let this jerk sell it. It wasn't the step-father's to get rid of.

That adds a ton more subtext to the scene knowing this.  It makes the whole action much more meaningful
"I'm not crazy about reality, but it's still the only place to get a decent meal."  -Groucho Marx

Bryancd

Quote from: Just X on May 20, 2009, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: RicSantiago on May 20, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on May 20, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
As to the film, I think the scene works ok for what JJ was trying to impart.

When we saw the trailer, the telephonic conversation with the "uncle" wasnt there, so I did not get that the intention was to destroy the car. I thought Kirk didnt see the cliff before too late to brake. Maybe silly of me.

But for a person who didnt see the trailer, when seeing the film: was it clear enough that the "uncle" was the stepfather and that Kirk was doing that to destroy the car as an act of revolt against the car owner? Was it clear enough?
In the book, for me, it was a little more to it than him just destroying to car. I think that he was trying to keep his father's car away from someone that was trying to sell it from under them. When he saw the canyon, he decided it was better to destroy it than let this jerk sell it. It wasn't the step-father's to get rid of.

Yes, but that wasn't made clear in the movie, and that is what Ric is asking.


X

You're right Bry, it wasn't made clear who he was talking to, but I think the way that he spoke to Jim suggested there was some trouble between them.


sheldor

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Ok, finally saw what all the fuss is about.  These guys studied TOS - Kirk, Spock and McCoy were all played extremely well.  The scene near the end with Kirk standing in front of the chair was just perfect.  Uhura was the only one that didn't seem like a good fit - she was ok but MAN she like DIGS Spock.  As Sheldon would say "Buhzinga" !!  I know this was an alternate reality where apparently they throw paradoxes out the window :D.  I almost expected Marty McFly to show up with Spock the Younger/Spock the Elder talking about messing up the space-time continuum.   Kirk has a very strong grip - especially when hanging on to ledges.   Did anyone else notice Dr. Beckett's (Atlantis) small scene?  Pegg was good as Scotty - a little bit too roguish but good.  Again, the whole alternate reality allowed some play with the characters and events.  I half expected Pike to get injured but I was ok with him surviing although that slug thing - I covered my eyes. :D  Some of visuals - I wish they had zoomed out a bit on some of the heavier action sequences.  Was the Olsen tragedy like an "Ode to the Red Shirt"?

Unfortunately, there was a group of drunken slobs who seemed to think this was Mystery Science Theatre 3000 - low point of the outing.  I just want to pull out my phaser on its highest setting.

I give it a 3 out of 4.

Bryancd

What I don't get about the "eels" Nero uses is that they are clearly the eels from Ceti Aplha V and yet Nero calls them something else. Why?

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Quote from: Bryancd on May 21, 2009, 07:06:56 PM
What I don't get about the "eels" Nero uses is that they are clearly the eels from Ceti Aplha V and yet Nero calls them something else. Why?
But they're not. I saw the movie right after I saw TWOK, while they seem similar, they aren't. They have some similarities to their loko but they are not identical. It's also not like Trek hasn't had things look exactly like something else and not be the same.

Feathers

Quote from: markinro on May 21, 2009, 07:02:23 PM
Did anyone else notice Dr. Beckett's (Atlantis) small scene?

Yes although I think I'd seen that already somewhere (spoiler thread?). He'd apparently gone in for Scotty at the behest of the SGA fans (I think his parents are Scots) and had gained the public support of James Doohan's son for the role too.

He obviously didn't get it but they called him back for the marshalling scene in the shuttle hanger.

Quote from: markinro on May 21, 2009, 07:02:23 PM
Was the Olsen tragedy like an "Ode to the Red Shirt"?

I thought so.

I know it's unnusual here but I don't have a podcast of my own.

Bryancd

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Quote from: Just X on May 21, 2009, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on May 21, 2009, 07:06:56 PM
What I don't get about the "eels" Nero uses is that they are clearly the eels from Ceti Aplha V and yet Nero calls them something else. Why?
But they're not. I saw the movie right after I saw TWOK, while they seem similar, they aren't. They have some similarities to their loko but they are not identical. It's also not like Trek hasn't had things look exactly like something else and not be the same.

Please, Chris. They are VERY similar in look, the movie one's are more sreamlined and animated, and they do the same thing excpet they crwal throught he mouth. In the Star Trek fanboy world, fine they are different. In the real world, the writters created a plot device with remarkable similaritites to something used. Why not come up with a new McGuffin? Why make it ALMOST like a Ceti Ell, but not? Just make it a Ceti Eel as a nice nod to TWOK and move on.

Rico

Well, I saw the movie in IMAX last night and the "eel" things Nero uses look more like a crayfish to me and not really like the flat thing Khan used (different color, body shape, etc.).  Yeah, obviously a very similar tool they are using for the plot but I can see why they didn't make it a ceti eel.  It's doubtful the Romulans would even know about Ceti Eels or even have them.  Not even sure why they had these things on board a Romulan mining ship.  Frankly, I thought that whole sequence was weak.  Why not just torture Pike or mind meld with him?  Seems like a much more simple answer.

Feathers

Yeah. Weak and unnecessary.

I can accept that they might have wanted a nod to TWOK but the film would have been better without, particularly as they never paid off on the things. You saw them go in but you never got any follow-up (other than the ship entering Earth orbit I guess).

I know it's unnusual here but I don't have a podcast of my own.

billybob476

Speaking of things on the Romulan ship...did we ever figure out what was with all the water? Was the ship getting old? Was it a byproduct of the borg technology integrated in?

sheldor

Quote from: Feathers on May 22, 2009, 06:15:02 AM
Yeah. Weak and unnecessary.

I can accept that they might have wanted a nod to TWOK but the film would have been better without, particularly as they never paid off on the things. You saw them go in but you never got any follow-up (other than the ship entering Earth orbit I guess).

There was quite a few nods to TOS and the other movies
1. Kirk getting Spock ticked off reminded me of the TOS episode with the spores.
2. Spock with his mother reminded me of the same scenes in Voyage
3. Size of Nero's ship reminded me of Vejur
4. Uhura with Spock - completely unique to this movie :D.  Ok, maybe briefly the TOS episode with the people who had telekensis powers.  Didn't Uhura first lie down with Spock before going to Kirk?