The iPad

Started by Bryancd, January 27, 2010, 12:03:57 PM

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Bryancd

Actually, yes, I think the images shown in that link are graphic and would be so if they depicted a hetrosexual couple as well. I personally don't take issue with them, but other people very well may. And I strongly disagree that it's a corporations responsibility to be an advocate for or against accpeted societal moral views. I especially feel that way about the governmwent, I can believe you think that's where censorship should come from. That's even worse than corporations doing it.
And in regards to NetFlix, this simply proves my point that the ability or even dseire to limit content won't always be clear or make sense and will never maike everyone happy, but just as I don't deny the right of anyone to view whatever they wish, I also don't deny a corporations right to control who their products are used. You can judge them if you wish, I have a more pragmatic view.

Oh, and well said, Kevin. :)

KingIsaacLinksr

Ok, can we answer 1 question that has been bugging me since this conversation started?  Do we know 100%, beyond a shadow of doubt that Apple "axed" the comics in question because they depicted one or more gay sexual scenes?  Is this confirmed without the "I suspect it is" sort of deal? 

Because unless that is a yes, this whole conversation is rather moot.  For all we know, Apple just didn't like the colors used in the comic and found that highly offensive to their style of comic-coloring tastes. 

Seriously.  It could be.  :P

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X

Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on May 28, 2010, 09:45:48 AM
Ok, can we answer 1 question that has been bugging me since this conversation started?  Do we know 100%, beyond a shadow of doubt that Apple "axed" the comics in question because they depicted one or more gay sexual scenes?  Is this confirmed without the "I suspect it is" sort of deal? 

Because unless that is a yes, this whole conversation is rather moot.  For all we know, Apple just didn't like the colors used in the comic and found that highly offensive to their style of comic-coloring tastes. 

Seriously.  It could be.  :P

King
What we know is that they would not allow the comic. The comic was then resubmitted with black bars covering certain gay images and then it was approved.

KingIsaacLinksr

Quote from: Just X on May 28, 2010, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on May 28, 2010, 09:45:48 AM
Ok, can we answer 1 question that has been bugging me since this conversation started?  Do we know 100%, beyond a shadow of doubt that Apple "axed" the comics in question because they depicted one or more gay sexual scenes?  Is this confirmed without the "I suspect it is" sort of deal? 

Because unless that is a yes, this whole conversation is rather moot.  For all we know, Apple just didn't like the colors used in the comic and found that highly offensive to their style of comic-coloring tastes. 

Seriously.  It could be.  :P

King
What we know is that they would not allow the comic. The comic was then resubmitted with black bars covering certain gay images and then it was approved.

Hmm.  Thank you Just X. 

King
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Bryancd

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Quote from: Just X on May 28, 2010, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on May 28, 2010, 09:45:48 AM
Ok, can we answer 1 question that has been bugging me since this conversation started?  Do we know 100%, beyond a shadow of doubt that Apple "axed" the comics in question because they depicted one or more gay sexual scenes?  Is this confirmed without the "I suspect it is" sort of deal?  

Because unless that is a yes, this whole conversation is rather moot.  For all we know, Apple just didn't like the colors used in the comic and found that highly offensive to their style of comic-coloring tastes.  

Seriously.  It could be.  :P

King
What we know is that they would not allow the comic. The comic was then resubmitted with black bars covering certain gay images and then it was approved.

It wasn't the 'gay" images it was the sexual images.
Which makes me inclined to think it was the implied sexual act itself, not the fact that the characters were both men which was the issue.
Apple is not anti-gay, they are anti-porn.

Jobydrone

Chris if you don't consider those images explicit I have to wonder how far an artist would have to go to earn that tag from you.  Full frontal?  Penetration?  Where's the line drawn?  I guarantee you if my five year old daughter stumbled on those images while using my iPad not only would my wife kill me, I would be pretty darn upset myself.  Regardless of those acts being depicted between two men, two women, or a man and a woman, they are explicit in my opinion.  Until there are adequate safeguards that indicate to parents that certain content in an app is explicit and inappropriate for people of a certain age, I am completely on board with Apple not allowing porn in their apps.
"I'm not crazy about reality, but it's still the only place to get a decent meal."  -Groucho Marx

Bryancd

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I just went back to look at the actual uncensored comic again it is EXTREMELY graphic. The edits Apple requested didn't alter the fact that it involved two men and the implication is still the same but without the nudity and graphic sexual depictions. If I sent those comic frame images around my office in an e-mail, I could loose my job.

Getting back to actual iPad news:

Apple's iPad big in Japan

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The launch of Apple's iPad in Asia is "generating a level of hype and excitement rarely seen these days for a new electronics product in this gadget-loving nation," according to reports from Japan on today's launch.

An article by the Wall Street Journal detailed the "frenzy" of the iPad's Japanese launch, where it was met by lines of buyers, some of whom had camped out for days.

Softbank, the exclusive carrier of the 3G iPad in Japan, stopped taking reservations after just three days in a climate where a variety of magazines ran cover stories about the iPad launch.

"Softbank says it is under strict orders from Apple not to disclose how many reservations it has accepted or how many will be distributed Friday," the report said. "It wouldn't even disclose whether consumers could buy the iPad on Friday without a reservation."

A report on the launch by the New York Times noted the parallel success of previous Apple launches. The iPod continues to dominate the music player market and the iPhone has become wildly successful in the country, citing MM Research Institute data showing that Apple has 72 share of Japan's smartphone market.

The Times said 1200 people had lined up at the Apple Store in central Tokyo for the launch of iPad.

Japanese content for iPad

It's not just consumers who are interested in the iPad launch. The Wall Street Journal said Japanese game developer Konami Digital Entertainment, "once solely focused on creating games for dedicated consoles like the Wii from Nintendo and more recently, for cellphones" has released Metal Gear Solid Touch for iPad. Capcom similarly says it will reformat BioHazard 4 for iPad.

"Japan's publishers, which have long been cautious in moving online," the report noted, "are racing to offer their titles on the iPad." It cited Shufunotomo, a major women's magazine, as saying it will open an electronic bookstore for iPad with about 50 magazines and books. The report also noted Yahoo Japan plans to offer 100 free comics for iPad users.

Apple's new tablet isn't without competition however; It noted that Asahi Shimbun, Japan's second-largest newspaper, reported Thursday that it would join forces with Sony's e-reader content platform, publisher Toppan Printing, and the cellphone carrier KDDI, a competitor of Apple's exclusive Japanese mobile partner Softbank.

X

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Quote from: Bryancd on May 28, 2010, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: Just X on May 28, 2010, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: Kingisaaclinksr on May 28, 2010, 09:45:48 AM
Ok, can we answer 1 question that has been bugging me since this conversation started?  Do we know 100%, beyond a shadow of doubt that Apple "axed" the comics in question because they depicted one or more gay sexual scenes?  Is this confirmed without the "I suspect it is" sort of deal?  

Because unless that is a yes, this whole conversation is rather moot.  For all we know, Apple just didn't like the colors used in the comic and found that highly offensive to their style of comic-coloring tastes.  

Seriously.  It could be.  :P

King
What we know is that they would not allow the comic. The comic was then resubmitted with black bars covering certain gay images and then it was approved.

It wasn't the 'gay" images it was the sexual images.
Which makes me inclined to think it was the implied sexual act itself, not the fact that the characters were both men which was the issue.
Apple is not anti-gay, they are anti-porn.
What about the picture with the jumper cables on the guy's crotch that they did allow?

I think that's where well differ. We live in a place were violence and mutilated bodies are cool to show even on network television, but implied sex is taboo.

Would I agree that some of the images are close to a line? No. You can see more on night time and daytime television without a problem. I hardly see those images as porn, but if my own 5 year old daughter could surf the iTunes library, find said material, pay for it, then then down load it, we would have to have a chat about the images but I'd actually be proud of her ingenuity.

If I had said comic on my what ever device and she stumbled across it, that would be my fault. I think that I'm smart enough to not need Apple to monitor content for me. In fact, couldn't they just give it an explicit label and prevent minors from buying it?

What I find the most humorous about the whole idea of Apple censoring is that you can access the web. Do you honestly think that some horny kid is going to jump to spend their cash on the comic just for the images when they can use the internet unfiltered to get actual porn?

I think I understand what you mean, but it's not that logical to me.

Just for the record, I do think that there is a huge difference between art and graphic porn. I also don't agree with them covering the statue David and saying it's obscene while Nat Geo can show topless women of Africa and people don't bat an eye. 

X

Okay, I found this through the like that Bryan provided and it's quite entertaining.

http://gawker.com/5539717/

Bryancd

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Quote from: Just X on May 28, 2010, 01:19:39 PM
Okay, I found this through the like that Bryan provided and it's quite entertaining.

http://gawker.com/5539717/

That's awesome. Steve jobs is a man of great hubris and doesn't suffer fools lightly. He has the entire personal portable technology market by the short and curly's and knows it and will leverage it and beat anyone who stands in his way into submission. Genius is often like that. May not be very chill, bit that's the guy I want running the company I own stock in. He who has the most gold makes the rules. The best is look what time these e-mails took place. Even on West Coast Time, Steve was up late and fighting on the internet. Classic.

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Bryancd

2 million iPads sold so far. Amazing.

Rico


Ktrek

Those guys are very talented and creative crafstmen! Not sure I would be comfortable with having the Ipad so easily removable. Seems like it's a good setup for a smash and grab.

Kevin
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Rico

Quote from: Ktrek on June 06, 2010, 04:52:35 PM
Those guys are very talented and creative crafstmen! Not sure I would be comfortable with having the Ipad so easily removable. Seems like it's a good setup for a smash and grab.

Kevin

He mentions in the video of how he wanted to have it easily removable (for him - not thieves).  So I don't think he leaves it in the car much.