Star Trek XI - spoilers!

Rico · November 15, 2008, 01:23:16 PM

Crappy bootleg. Go see Bond and see the trailer like it should be seen. But in the meantime,....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQyjrRgE4c

Trekkygeek · November 15, 2008, 01:35:27 PM

You know the best bit for me? It was when Spock looked like he beamed down. That looked totally different to any other Trek vision of the "Beam Down". Now I was really impressed by that, If the makers of the film have dealt with the rest of the film that way, made the differences cool, then I'm sold. Nice one.

Bryancd · November 15, 2008, 01:39:17 PM

One of the things they will really need to get right is at least initial acceptance from the older fans in order to become a franchise building platform again. I don't think solely a younger audience will provide the same brand loyalty, from not only supporting the films but merchandising efforts, EU type of works, ect., that they can generate from original Trek fans. So like I posited before, are Trek fans willing to accept such a radical departure and reboot with 40 years of history to overcome? It will be very interesting to see.

The trailer isn't bad at all, very high energy and slick, once we get past James Anakin Kirk aka Maverick. ;) We know visually it will be stunning....will the story and characters show up as well?

Indeed, Tim, that was a transporter effect shown. :thumbsup

Dan M · November 15, 2008, 01:41:40 PM

Note at 1:31 the footage (of Spock attacking someone on the bridge) is flopped.

Bryancd · November 15, 2008, 01:42:25 PM

Quote from: Dan M on November 15, 2008, 01:41:40 PM
Note at 1:31 the footage (of Spock attacking someone on the bridge) is flopped.

He's attacking Kirk.

Rico · November 15, 2008, 01:46:17 PM

All I will say again is go see it at the theater. I do have to point out they are just trying to make a really good movie. It takes nothing away from 40+ years of Trek. But hopefully will add a bit to it.

Bryancd · November 15, 2008, 02:00:24 PM

Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2008, 01:46:17 PM
All I will say again is go see it at the theater. I do have to point out they are just trying to make a really good movie. It takes nothing away from 40+ years of Trek. But hopefully will add a bit to it.

I think, and hope, it can do much more than add a little bit to Trek, I'm hoping it becomes a platform to move the entire franchise forward. This isn't just about making "a good movie" which I believe it will be, but this is also about the next 40 years of Trek. Star Wars is showing how it can continue to be relevant 30 years later and they have a clear road map as to where the next 5+ years are headed. I so desperately want Trek to do that as well, I want my kids, that I don't even have yet, to have their own Trek. It's that important to me. That's why anything that seems to cheapen it I take exception to.

Rico · November 15, 2008, 02:08:18 PM

J.J. Abrams has said he just wants to make a good film that people will enjoy seeing. If the movie does well, we might get another film or two with this cast. That's all for this piece of the Trek universe.

Bryancd · November 15, 2008, 02:12:31 PM

Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2008, 02:08:18 PM
J.J. Abrams has said he just wants to make a good film that people will enjoy seeing. If the movie does well, we might get another film or two with this cast. That's all for this piece of the Trek universe.

You are probably right in that regard and it begs the question as to how top keep trek relevent beyond that? Will there be enough character chemistry and story to possibly build a new series around this new era? Or does the potential success of the film or films allow for new content based in the more familiar Trek canon? So many questions...

Trekkygeek · November 15, 2008, 02:15:59 PM

Well said Bryan. I don't want this movie to just be a great movie, I want this to be a great Trek movie. I want all those people who take the p**s out of us Trekkies to sit bolt up and say "Wow, that was fricking awesome, I wonder what the other stuff is like".

In ten years time, I want to be able to look forward to "Star Trek Evenings" with my cousin and watch the new Trek stuff. We do this every couple of years, We'll sit down together, and over the weeks we'll watch the entire movie run, and we love it every time and never bore of it.

Star Trek has a big responsibility. Now you can say what you like but the latest 3 Star Wars films have been inferior to the originals in every way, and I would wager that everyone from my generation and older has a slightly nasty taste in their mouth since they were released. Somehow the whole magic of that franchise has been lost for me. The whole prequels project was just a money making experiment that didn't deliver what it offered.

Now, I love Star Wars but Star Trek to me, is very special. It is my all time favourite TV and movie series and is eclipsed by no other thing in the visual media. I believe many here feel the same way and this movie needs to both convince newcomers of this, and to let us older fans get excited for the next generations.

As I have stated before, I was always against Trek going down the prequels road and thought it was a big mistake. After seeing the trailer, my opinion is almost the same, I'm looking forward to it more now, but I still need to get past the whole "someone else playing Kirk" thing. I hope JJ can prove me soooo wrong.

Rico · November 15, 2008, 02:17:26 PM

Bryan - this film and cast (or probably even the era) won't become a TV series. For now we will get this movie and hopefully a couple more. Television these days is vicious. I'd almost hate to see a new series get put on the air right now the way they mess with them, cancel even good shows, etc. Stick with the films for now.

Bryancd · November 15, 2008, 02:20:06 PM

Hear, hear Tim, although despite the failing of the SW prequels, I am loving their new efforts via the Clone Wars and Lucas has managed to keep SW very much alive. I am optimistic that a new generation of fan can be developed while retaining the old, that's going to be the key to longevity.

Bryancd · November 15, 2008, 02:22:01 PM

Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2008, 02:17:26 PM
Bryan - this film and cast (or probably even the era) won't become a TV series. For now we will get this movie and hopefully a couple more. Television these days is vicious. I'd almost hate to see a new series get put on the air right now the way they mess with them, cancel even good shows, etc. Stick with the films for now.

I agree that a TV series in the near term would be a bad idea for all thee reasons you stated. And regardless of the casting, I am thinking more that this reboot, if accepted, could provide fertile soil for a new series similar to what they managed with BSG, maybe off major networks.

M-5 · November 15, 2008, 02:37:42 PM

Quote from: Rico on November 15, 2008, 02:17:26 PM
Bryan - this film and cast (or probably even the era) won't become a TV series. For now we will get this movie and hopefully a couple more. Television these days is vicious. I'd almost hate to see a new series get put on the air right now the way they mess with them, cancel even good shows, etc. Stick with the films for now.

Amen.

X · November 15, 2008, 02:49:37 PM

Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here and talk about the fans and the possible reboot.

Let's be honest with ourselves. If the past fans were going to support trek, then enterprise wouldn't have been cut so short.

If the past fans were still supporting trek, Nemesis wouldn't have made less money than it cost to make it.

The franchise is unfortunately broken. Paramount can't shell out 93 million to make a movie and only take in 67 million.

I enjoyed Nemesis and Enterprise. I saw Nemesis when opened and I knew it was the death knell of the franchise when I had my choice of seats.

It's time for a change and if they can stick to the spirit of the old then I am there for it.

Here is what I'm praying for. I hope the movie defies all expectations.

That's what the first movie did and we got TNG from it. If the magic can happen again, perhaps we can get a new show.

The best part about that is they can start it anywhere. There are a lot of ships named enterprise and we have only seen the exploits of three in a weekly series. That leaves three more that can be done.

I'd love to see a show about the E after Picard gives up control and that's only the beginning.

I totally agree that the old fans might make an impact on the new movie, but if past movies are an indicator, we need a lot more than the old fans to come out for this one.

If it can draw in other sci fi fans, that might be even better because it really looks like the trek fans have been looking for something more for some time and I am very surprised that we got this movie.

On another note, I do know that JMS of B5 wanted to do a reboot of the series and they with with Abrams. What if they did give him the ability to do a weekly series on some other segment of the trek universe?

As much as I love the old trek, I have access to the dvds and a retooled trek won't affect them in any way what so ever. It's time to try something new or this might truly be the last generation of Trek, there is just too much competition from other good sci fi for this franchise to not adapt to the future.