Star Trek XI - spoilers!

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Kirk-Fu

Im sold! The trailer is exactly what I would expect from JJ and his crew. And it's exactly what I wanted. I'm a TOS zealot, so this movie is very important to me. From what I see so far, this is what I have been waiting for. I want new fans, I want our ranks to grow. My kids watched the trailer and are excited, They love Sci-fi, but havent always loved Trek as much as they like Star Wars. This hopefully will allow them to see the light, and come over to the Trek side.

I like the kid busting out with his full name. I like the rebel/bad boy Kirk. We've always known he was, this just confirms it.

And I love Top Gun, so paying homage to that scene is great. As soon as I saw the first bootleg trailer, I emailed a buddy and told him 'Kirk just went Mav'.

Bryancd

I also really liked what little we say of Vulcan, especially the inclusion of Vasquez Rocks as a film location! Nice touch! It will be interesting how Vulcan's are re-imagined in this film, more stoic or maybe more emotional. Certainly Vulcan characters have shown us a lot of different shades of emotions over the years. The clip where Spock attacks Kirk maybe portends a much more volatile Spock, more like what he was in The Cage.

The Starfleet Academy scene with the cadets initially reminded me of "V" with all those red uniforms and caps! Even the shuttles looked kinda like "V".

Rico

Ok Bryan you pulled me back in because it's obvious you are not understanding my posts or comments about the trailer or maybe haven't listened to the latest podcast where I think I had some interesting points to make about all this.  Let me explain some of my thoughts more.  I have said a few times that I really like the trailer.  It's much like I expected it to be.  I have followed JJ Abrams work since "Alias" and on to his film work (MI3, Cloverfield) and also his TV shows like "Lost" and now "Fringe."  He has a certain style of doing things with regards to direction, characters, even music.  It is apparent to me he has brought this same style over to Trek.

Now, I made the analogy on my recent Podcast that this movie appears to be a new take on Star Trek much like Marvel Comics has done with their Ultimate comic book line (very successful and sells very well).  Basically they took long time established characters and brought them into the modern day and kind of updated them.  This was able to bring in new readers who didn't need to know 40 years of Spider-Man history and it also let older readings see sort of a fresh new version of the characters they love.  I read Ultimate Spider-Man.  But I still read and enjoy Amazing Spider-Man too (which has been around for decades).  So my point is this new Star Trek movie is in a way Paramounts "Ultimate Star Trek."  Now, I don't mean that makes it better than older Trek - but it will be different.

Now, let's get a bit more specific.  I love how this trailer is different than what people might expect from a Trek or Sci-Fi trailer.  Especially the first parts of it.  He is trying to show people that this is a new take on things, but with the characters most of the world knows by name.  Again, I love it.  I love that rebellious little kid standing up and shouting his name out.  I like that kid a bit older staring at the big Enterprise being built.  The trailer pulled me and made me want to see a lot more, but it didn't give me so much I feel like I already have seen the movie.  Again, all well done - at least to me.

You have said this movie should be held to some kind of a higher standard because it's Star Trek.  I see where you are coming from but I don't entirely agree.  I do expect them to get the basics of Trek right and respect things that have been set up in the past.  But I'm ok with a few tweaks and fine tuning.  I know some people seem to be less forgiving or I should say have a harder time with change.  Hey, at least they didn't make Spock a girl!  Hehe!

So, I don't know if any of this helps or not.  Trust me I love "Star Trek" as much or maybe even more than you.  It helped make me who I am to a degree, especially growing up after my father died and I needed role models I could depend on and learn from.  But I have no doubt that this latest version of Star Trek will be something I will greatly enjoy as well.

Bryancd

I agree 100% with everything you are saying and I just this morning had a chance to listen to the podcast. You misunderstood somewhat what I was trying to express in so much as I really liked what I saw with a few exceptions. Those exceptions aren't negatives to me because it's a Star Trek film, they would be negatives to me in ANY film. I'm a little worn out by film constructs I have seen 1000 times before like that opening sequence, that's all. The same applies to my thoughts about the sets, I don't dislike them because they don't look like TOS, I just think they look flashy and glitzy regardless of context.

In regards to the overall direction the film would appear to be taking form what little we have seen, for sure it will be a great movie. It may even be a great Star Trek movie. As I mentioned earlier, I do have high hopes that this can breath new life into the franchise. I don't want it to be a dead end of one or two films and done. I would like to see it grow beyond that. It does have that potential and as such, it's worth debating the future direction they may take.

Rico

Cool Bryan.  I know we both hope the movie rocks and make mega millions!  I think it has a very good shot at that.

Oh, I moved the HD version over last night to my TIVO and watched it on my big screen TV.  Wicked awesome looking!

Trekkygeek

Quote from: Rico on November 17, 2008, 02:10:56 PM
Dang, I love this image!  Might be my favorite shot in the new trailer.  Click it to make it really big.    :wub


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wraith1701

Looking at this image, I can't help but be amazed at how much the actor playing Sarek looks like a younger version of Mark Lenard from TOS  :) -


Feathers

Quote from: wraith1701 on November 18, 2008, 06:56:11 AM
Looking at this image, I can't help but be amazed at how much the actor playing Sarek looks like a younger version of Mark Lenard from TOS  :)

I was impressed by that too - I've no idea what he sounds like though.

I know it's unnusual here but I don't have a podcast of my own.

Rico

#893
That's Ben Cross playing Sarek. Oh, there is a slightly short, TV spot of the trailer out now too. It just cuts the first bit with the car chase. Take a look....

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/dor/objects/692255/star_trek_11/videos/startrek_spot1_111708.html

Jen

Is Winona Ryder playing Amanda? I heard early on that she would, but I can't tell if that's her in the screen grab I posted. :)
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Bryancd

Quote from: Jen on November 18, 2008, 10:24:12 AM
Is Winona Ryder playing Amanda? I heard early on that she would, but I can't tell if that's her in the screen grab I posted. :)

Indeed, thats her!

Rico

Quote from: Bryancd on November 18, 2008, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: Jen on November 18, 2008, 10:24:12 AM
Is Winona Ryder playing Amanda? I heard early on that she would, but I can't tell if that's her in the screen grab I posted. :)

Indeed, thats her!

Oh, and Winona just happens to be today's Daily Sci-Fi Babe too!  Check the left column or click the link.

billybob476

#897
Quote from: Rico on November 18, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 18, 2008, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: Jen on November 18, 2008, 10:24:12 AM
Is Winona Ryder playing Amanda? I heard early on that she would, but I can't tell if that's her in the screen grab I posted. :)
Indeed, thats her!

Oh, and Winona just happens to be today's Daily Sci-Fi Babe too!  Check the left column or click the link.

Such a coincidence! :)

wraith1701

Quote from: Bryancd on November 17, 2008, 03:33:25 PM

SPOILERS Below!!!!!






In the trailer we see Klingons, they are guards on Rhua Penthe.


Where?  :-\   I can't find them!

Bryancd

Quote from: wraith1701 on November 18, 2008, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on November 17, 2008, 03:33:25 PM

SPOILERS Below!!!!!






In the trailer we see Klingons, they are guards on Rhua Penthe.


Where?  :-\   I can't find them!

In the scene where Bana is being escorted by to gaurds, the gaurds are Klingons!