Star Trek XI - spoilers!

[Bryancd]

But surely from the parts we have seen, there has to be some issue's. This is so different and I find it hard to believe that as Trek fans, there is nothing you have seen that may make you think it looks like a cool movie BUT makes you feel a bit off when it comes to Trek. Cool movie? Sure. But there seems to be an almost pathological desire to avoid any critical comments.

I really don't have any critical comments. Time travel + butterfly effect = new look.

That makes sense to me. It's going to look different because it is different. Kirk is acting different because he is different. Just from the trailers, we get that there was a HUGE change in Kirk's life. Not to mention the ripple effects from that.

...but is it a good look? I think the movie has style and design issue's which have zero to it being a Trek film or any other franchise. It's simply lacking in innovation.

[Bryancd]

Well, now that we are so close to the film finally coming out, some last thoughts from me. I can't wait to see it and hopefully my wife will come too. I think it will be the highest grossing Star Trek film ever, although I don't think that is a good indication of it's quality. No Star Trek film has preformed well since the mid to late 80's, so that analogy needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Film distribution was MUCH different when the best of the Trek films came out. I think the movie looks  great. My only issue around here is that even though it looks exciting and fun, really no one esle besides me has something critical to say? I find that amazing. Surely there has to be at least one thing that some of you Trek fans have an issue with, even if it's just minor? On the RPF, there is a much more balanced discussion of the film, here it's seem's to be all praise with zero comments to the contrary. Really? There must be something that bugs you, nothing is perfect. I would be curious to hear those honest thoughts and then once the film  is released, let's see how they did!

Well, a good question.  Why haven't many tirade on it yet?  Well, lets face it, we haven't seen it yet.  I'm pretty sure when Nemesis was coming out that negativity wasn't all that high until people saw it.  Lets face it, we can't judge a book by its cover.  Usually makes us look more foolish when we see it and then take our word back.  (I.E. Indy 4....)

At least, that's why I'm not concerned yet.  I'll wait till I've seen it before I say anything.

King

I thought the Indy 4 trailers looked weak and the film was a disaster, yet around here, it get's a pass as "at least we got another Indy film."

[X]

But surely from the parts we have seen, there has to be some issue's. This is so different and I find it hard to believe that as Trek fans, there is nothing you have seen that may make you think it looks like a cool movie BUT makes you feel a bit off when it comes to Trek. Cool movie? Sure. But there seems to be an almost pathological desire to avoid any critical comments.

I really don't have any critical comments. Time travel + butterfly effect = new look.

That makes sense to me. It's going to look different because it is different. Kirk is acting different because he is different. Just from the trailers, we get that there was a HUGE change in Kirk's life. Not to mention the ripple effects from that.

...but is it a good look? I think the movie has style and design issue's which have zero to it being a Trek film or any other franchise. It's simply lacking in innovation.

I love the new look. I think that it is a very nice descendant of Enterprise. I like it WAY better than the clunkiness of the TOS bridge and it's 8 track computer tapes. Just as TOS was a projection of what the 60's tech might look like in the future. Enterprise and now the new movie is a take on what tech might look like from 2000's technology. It makes sense to me.

I'm glad that the toggles, dials, and 8 tracks are gone. There is no purpose for them. Just as Gene revised the Klingons for the movies, I think that if he had to do it all again today, he wouldn't hesitate and going for something like the new look. TNG is a good example of Gene trying to use what we knew at the time and apply it to the future.

If you want me to be really honest. I'm glad for the changes. If we look at the remastered trek as an example, I'm not the only one that felt the ship could use an update.

Also in the spirit of being honest, I think that if someone wants to find something wrong with something, they never have to look really hard. Sure it's not the same, but never once did I think that it should be the same. We had three successful trek shows that did their run. TOS and Enterprise were not one of them. We can get nostalgic about something and ignore the glaring flaws, but that doesn't mean that there weren't any. I love TOS, but I would be a fool not to see the flaws.

When trying to compare the old to the new, we must be very careful not to throw stones. Maybe those flaws are the same reason that Gene totally changed the look of the enterprise the first chance budget and technology allowed for it.

Here is the bottom line for me. Which NCC-1701 would I like to be a part of the crew on from what I have seen?

The new one. It seems more real to me.

[Bryancd]

Oh, I agree with that 100%, especially about previous versions of Trek. Nothing is perfect. I also think the more love and passion you have for a subject, the stronger your responses will be towards it, positive and negative. I've said ti many times before, many of my small gripes about the little I have seen have less to do with the film being a Trek film and things not looking Trek, they are issue's I would have if the film had nothing to do with Trek, like the aforementioned design elements that might be better than TOS, but aren't very compelling or dynamic to me from a simple sci-fi movie standpoint.

[Bryancd]

Two guy's over at the RPF just saw the movie and absolutely LOVED it. No spoilers, but they said there are some great moments which pay homage to TOS. There are just a few moment that are old school Trek cringe worthy, but overall they said it was fantastic! :)

[Rico]

More from the UK premiere:

Star Trek movie premieres in the UK at Leicester Square

[Bryancd]

Good stuff, although the Brits always have to take the piss. Our UK members can translate, but it's not bad. :)

[Feathers]

Yeah not bad. It sounded like a Journalist reading something he didn't fully understand to me but it still comes across as positive.

[Rico]

Entertainment Tonight story....

ET Trek

[Rico]

Shatner meets Chris Pine, Bruce Greenwood, Abrams, Quinto (seated) at Bill's annual charity horse event:

[Dangelus]

Looks like JJ is now talking about the alternate / deleted scenes that didin't make it into the film.

Man, enough already, let me see the movie first!    :roflmao

[wraith1701]

Entertainment Tonight story....

Awesome.  ;D

[Rico]

Made this little wallpaper tonight.  I think they should have used some type of slogan in their ad's like I came up with.  "Trek back to the Stars!"

[X]

Okay, I'm a little miffed. Entertainment TV is running a story about how Shatner is upset with Abrams that he wasn't in the new movie. The problem is that they are using months old footage and trying to pass it off as a new story.

[Rico]

Okay, I'm a little miffed. Entertainment TV is running a story about how Shatner is upset with Abrams that he wasn't in the new movie. The problem is that they are using months old footage and trying to pass it off as a new story.

That's way, way old news!  I mean Bill had Abrams and many of the actors at his charity horse show just a week or so ago.