Star Trek XI - spoilers!

[Bryancd]

The movie is only two hours, frankly what I wanted to see more of was Kirk and Spock growing up or even at the Academy.

Which was a missed opportunity in the book.

[X]

The book was fine the way it was and so was the movie. Sure they could have started the movie at the explosion of vulcan to give us a better picture. Sure they could have written about their childhood more. they coud have done a million and six things differently, but when it all comes down to it, they did pretty damned good with what they had. There are probably a ton of things that people would have liked to see, but where does the line get drawn?

As much as I love trek, I could do without a six hour movie. I also didn't need to see more of them in the academy. The academy looks kind of boring. In the time that they had them on screen, I got a very good picture of how they were like in the academy. I think that adding more might have slowed it down.

[X]

Speaking of motives only shown on screen. Did you have the same problems with Khan going after Kirk? I mean if we only take what was seen on screen, Khan was kind of dumb to blame Kirk for a planet blowing up that Kirk didn't have reason to believe would blow up.

If that's a more sound plot ....

[billybob476]

Khan clearly blamed Kirk for putting him in the situation which resulted in the death of his wife.

[Rico]

Exactly.  Plus, there wasn't another planet of his people out there to save (like Nero had with the 'alternate Romulus'). 

[Bryancd]

...and we had all additional backstory seen on screen in "Space Seed", not in a book or comic. Big difference.

[X]

Exactly.  Plus, there wasn't another planet of his people out there to save (like Nero had with the 'alternate Romulus').  

Khan, a super genius blamed Kirk for not knowing a planet was going to blow up and knock his planet off course. Did we forget that Khan wasn't Marooned? Kirk offered him a chance to settle the planet and he took that chance. He wasn't tricked into settling the planet.

As for Nero. We saw on the screen that his wife was killed. Sure he could save Romulas, that wasn't discussed in the movie. What we do know is that he can NEVER be with his pregnant wife again and he put the blame on Spock. Even if he lived the next 125 years, another version of him would have another version his wife and kid. Spock said that Nero blamed him for the loss of his family.

I don't see how that has more holes in it than Khan's motivations. Khan chose to settle a planet that went wrong and then blamed Kirk for that.

Nero blamed Spock for costing him his family. Even if he could save Romulas ... As it was point out. He has over 125 years to do that. Why not kill the people that you hold responsible for your loss to pass time?

Did we really need a "In 125 years from now, I'll save my people." line. If he did it any sooner, he'd just be killing their sun. He's also crazy.

But if you take a step back, he's not much different from Khan.

How many years did Khan sit around planning revenge on someone that he blamed for something that was out of that person's control?

[Feathers]

If I'm not mistaken it wasn't the sun of Romulus that went nova but a completely different one. I don't know if that system was inhabited but chances are he could have wiped out that sun if he'd chosen to without too much I'll effect.

He didn't though...as far as we know.

[Rico]

Exactly.  Plus, there wasn't another planet of his people out there to save (like Nero had with the 'alternate Romulus').  

Khan, a super genius blamed Kirk for not knowing a planet was going to blow up and knock his planet off course. Did we forget that Khan wasn't Marooned? Kirk offered him a chance to settle the planet and he took that chance. He wasn't tricked into settling the planet.

As for Nero. We saw on the screen that his wife was killed. Sure he could save Romulas, that wasn't discussed in the movie. What we do know is that he can NEVER be with his pregnant wife again and he put the blame on Spock. Even if he lived the next 125 years, another version of him would have another version his wife and kid. Spock said that Nero blamed him for the loss of his family.

I don't see how that has more holes in it than Khan's motivations. Khan chose to settle a planet that went wrong and then blamed Kirk for that.

Nero blamed Spock for costing him his family. Even if he could save Romulas ... As it was point out. He has over 125 years to do that. Why not kill the people that you hold responsible for your loss to pass time?

Did we really need a "In 125 years from now, I'll save my people." line. If he did it any sooner, he'd just be killing their sun. He's also crazy.

But if you take a step back, he's not much different from Khan.

How many years did Khan sit around planning revenge on someone that he blamed for something that was out of that person's control?

Sorry - I'm not going to get into a Khan vs. Nero debate or a debate between the two movies.  So I will bow out of this now.  But, I will just say they are "bonker villains."  By their nature both Khan and Nero have a few screws loose.

[X]

Sorry - I'm not going to get into a Khan vs. Nero debate or a debate between the two movies.  So I will bow out of this now.  But, I will just say they are "bonker villains."  By their nature both Khan and Nero have a few screws loose.

That was my point too Rico. They both worked as villains and both had similar motivations, but the reason behind their actions had more to do with being crazy than anything else. Both had about the same amount of motivation displayed on screen. This is why I think Nero works with or without the stuff in the book or comics.

[Meds]

Ha ha Rico said Bonkers.

[Geekyfanboy]

Last chance to catch Star Trek in the theater.. in IMAX...

Star Trek Returns to IMAX Theaters
Source:IMAX Corporation
September 2, 2009

J.J. Abrams' summer blockbuster Star Trek, which has earned $383.1 million worldwide, will be re-released in about 100 IMAX theaters on Friday, September 4th. The film will play in the large theaters for two weeks, at which time Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs will be released on IMAX screens. Here's how IMAX describes the large format version of Star Trek:

Star Trek, which chronicles the early days of James T. Kirk and his fellow USS Enterprise crew members, has been digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience® through proprietary IMAX DMR® technology. With crystal clear images, laser-aligned digital sound and maximized field of view, IMAX provides the world's most immersive movie experience.

You can check out if it's playing in a city near you. And they have Canada and UK listings.

http://www.imax.com/

[Rico]

Final box office report:

Acoording to Box Office Mojo, the summer's first two big movies, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Star Trek, officially ended their runs in the U.S. on Thursday, Oct. 1. Here is an excerpt of their report.


Star Trek closed with a $257.7 million tally for its 147-day run (in the U.S.), including $28.1 million from its IMAX run (which will continue at a trickle). The reboot of the venerable sci-fi franchise, which had a marketing campaign that slickly married the culturally iconic Trek with the promise of an epic, visceral adventure, ranks as the fifth-highest grossing picture of 2009 thus far.


According to the site, more importantly, Star Trek stands as the highest-grossing Trek yet, soaring past Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ($109.7 million), and is a franchise best in terms of estimated total attendance, edging out the first Star Trek movie from 1979. This feat was made all the more impressive by its rise from the ashes of the failures of the last movie (Star Trek: Nemesis) and television series (Enterprise).

The full report is here:  http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2618#

[KC]

I wasn't sure if anyone had posted this yet or not, but I was blog-hopping the other day and found this. Pretty funny, if you ask me.

Star Trek: Gag Reel

[Geekyfanboy]

To promote the DVD coming out they released the deleted scene with Nero and the Klingons.

http://www.spike.com/video/star-trek-dvd-bonus/3278137